This Venezuelan Patrol Ship Sunk Itself After Ramming A Cruise Liner With A Reinforced Hull

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  1. Jeannette

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    I stopped reading the British Bullsh*tting Corp. way before I stopped the MSM:

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    Yes, but they only had one bullet each carried in their uniform shirt pocket.

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  3. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    So...you're one of those that can't discern truth from lies so have decided that everything must be lies so the opposite must be true. Gotcha.
     
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    ..................Lets call it by its name attempted piracy"
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    A Ridiculous Assertion Bordering on Stupidity
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    & all the "Official Business" Crap you pass just messes up the page
    What is written in official log books has been found to have little to do with what is really
    happening. As we found out with CIA Rendition and Cocaine Smuggling Operations
    involving Chartered Aircraft. We can assume American Criminal Covert Operations
    ........................................................................................................................ are covered by a smear of Official S[​IMG]t

    "stoned and drunk"
    On the contrary Venezuela would have to be blind and stupid to the threat & must remain
    vigilant, given the scope, Intensity and History of American threats, coups, attempted
    coups and even direct Military operations throughout Central & South America.

    H
    ell they have even gone so far as to train Torturers and Death Squads, at their
    "School Of The America's" - Fort Benning Georgia. After this Murderous Institution
    was exposed the authorities in charge tried to put Lipstick on the PIG and changed its name
    to "Western Hemisphere Institute For Security Cooperation". Its function remains the
    same, the training of Butchers and Thugs to maintain their Tin Pot Tyrannies throughout
    the western Hemisphere. All done in the name of the American Tax Payer.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/school-americas/5693503

    So a CIA Mercenary or Proxy Operations, Or even a direct American direct Invasion can't
    be ruled out, and must be Vigilantly guarded against. Obviously the Venezuelan authorities
    felt they had reason to act against a cruise ship that had Violated its territorial waters .


    But it's nice to see you'r SORRY ! - You must be Canknucklese ! :)
    ....................................................................................................................................... They are always saying SORRY EH !

    Though in all fairness - I'd be SORRY too if I was making Apology for the Filthy Bully American
    ................................................................................................. Policies presently being conducted against Venezuela
    ..
     
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  5. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Recent American threats against Venezuela

    Despite US Military Threats against Venezuela, Country Remains
    Strong against COVID-19

    http://www.coha.org/despite-us-mili...uela-country-remains-strong-against-covid-19/

    From The Article:
    April 6 - 2020

    Yet, Washington not only continues to impose economic sanctions which block urgently
    needed medical supplies to Venezuela and other nations which resist US domination; the
    US is now threatening military intervention against Caracas in a bid to overthrow the
    constitutional government of President Nicolás Maduro.

    Venezuela now faces a perfect storm. At this moment thousands of Venezuelans seek
    repatriation. The US economic war has intensified, with a naval blockade underway to
    maximize the collective pain. Hostile paramilitary groups are training in camps along
    the Colombian-Venezuelan border. A dearth of chemical additives has caused a gasoline
    shortage; and the novel coronavirus has now spread to some of the popular barrios of
    Caracas. All this is happening at the very time a dialogue between the government and
    moderate opposition has been making significant progress and legislative elections are
    being planned for later this year.





    The US Threatens Venezuela
    With Possible Invasion After Guaido's Failed Coup

    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...h-possible-invasion-after-guaidos-failed-coup

    From The Article:
    As Recently as May 1 1919
    WASHINGTON ratcheted up hostility against Venezuela today, threatening a possible invasion
    a day after a failed attempt to trigger an armed insurrection in Caracas.

    Belligerent US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned that military intervention was a
    possibility “if that’s what is required” as the usurper Juan Guaido called for more
    demonstrations in the Venezuelan capitla.


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  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eadora - Here are some quotes from an April 3 letter I received from the US Peace Council

    ".... The U.S. Peace Council denounces the continuing aggression by the Trump administration against the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. We call on the Trump administration to immediately stop the illegal sanctions, to dismiss the false charges brought against Venezuela’s leaders, and to withdraw the U.S. war ships from the coast of Venezuela. We call on Congress to strongly oppose this latest attack by the Trump administration on Venezuela..."

    "... the United States has acted to undermine and to overthrow the Bolivarian government with the use of coups and sanctions, and now with a dubious indictment of the democratically elected President of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro Moros. This represents an outrageous abuse of the U.S. criminal justice system. .."

    "... The reality is, that since the Venezuelan government discontinued allowing the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) to operate in its territory in 2005, the rate of drug trafficking has dropped dramatically. It is estimated that 90 percent of cocaine that enters the U.S. comes from Colombia..."

    "... This indictment represents a brazen attempt to interfere in the internal affairs of sovereign Venezuela at a time when the Bolivarian government is making great efforts to combat the COVID-19 virus. The U.S. has a sordid history of “lawfare,” using criminal justice system as a method of hybrid war against governments and movements that it opposes..."

    "...On April 1st, it was announced that the United States is sending warships to the coast of Venezuela, purportedly for “drug interdiction.” Warship sent near another country only increases tension and is an attempt to intimidate the people and the legitimate government of Venezuela. .."
     
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    I'm thinking the Venezuelans over reacted on this one. Using the Resolute to insert special forces is certainly plausible, but highly unlikely IMO. If the US wanted to get troops on the ground in Venezuela, they would simply use their puppets in Colombia, which they are likely already doing already.
     
  8. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not too sure. What was the Resolution doing in Venezuelan waters without permission? Seems like a deliberate provocation to me. I say this because Greece has had this problem with Turkey for years. Their jets keep flying over Greek airspace without asking permission, and they are chased away by the Greek jets. Turkish ships also sail into Greek waters without permission, and again they are chased away by the Greek coast guard.

    In the case of the Resolution, did it ask for permission to dock in Venezuela, and did the coast guard try to board and search the ship before granting permission? I don't know! What we do know is that it didn't sail away when the coast guard appeared, but instead it rammed the ship. Was it deliberate, because if it was it is an international crime.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    It had no intention of docking in Venezuela. It was enroute to Curacao I think for maintenance

    No, when the military ship approached, Resolute continued its course as the law allows. The warship rammed the Resolute, not the other way around.

    The Resolute was built to run through ice, and so has a much stronger hull. The warship was not, and dealt itself a fatal blow when ramming a much stronger hull.
     
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  10. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would trust the news item from Caracao way before I'd trust the BBC or the MSM on anything. It was the MSM that went along with Washington and its lies about the Donbas militants being involved in the shoot down of the airliner to demonize them and Russia - even though they knew it was Ukraine.

    A drunk Kolomoisky even admitted in a video that it was a mistake, and that they intended to shoot down numero uno's plane. In other words they wanted to assassinate Vladimir Putin as he returned from Brazil.


    The MSM also came up with the lies about the 6 hospitals being bombed in Syria by Russia to cover up the hospital we had bombed in Afghanistan - which freaked out the Doctors Without Borders who were in the hospital at the time. Five of the hospitals Russia supposedly bombed were non existent, and the one that did exist had no damage what so ever.

    The problem with the BBC and the MSM is that they all repeat the lines of their respective government. A journalist is supposed to be independent and have a mind of their own - whether they're liberal, conservative or what not. When they all give the same news, leave out the same things and give the same slant, then they're not journalists, they're stenographers and repeating what they are being told. None of those newspapers mentioned that Venezuela wants a thorough investigation, why?
     
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    Very interesting, read the whole thing at the link:
     
  12. HurricaneDitka

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    Wait, do those two guys that got arrested / captured in Venezuela have some connection to the cruise ship with the most glorious naval combat record in recent history?
     
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  13. Thingamabob

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    Anything to do with this?
     
  14. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was well known that men were being trained in Columbia to invade and oust Maduro, so the narrative that a supposedly empty cruise ship would be sailing in Venezuelan waters under any excuse would be questionable. Normal procedure would be to allow the coast guard to board and examine the ship - but they didn't. Instead they knew that it could withstand an attack, so they should be liable.

    I wonder if: gnoib, zoom copter, heartburn, The dimon, Alexander Ulyanov, Poohbear, Heartburn, Le Chef, Kal'Stang, Doofensmirtz, HurricaneDitka and Baghdad bob feel like the fools they are for accepting the narratives of the MSM - because they should.



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    sounds like something Trump would be involved in considering how bungled it was, Trump hires the best people

    "On Venezuelan TV, a former Special Forces soldier claimed President Donald Trump ordered the mission to kidnap President Nicolás Maduro"

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ven...airan-berry-nicolas-maduro-kidnap-plot-2020-5

    "Pompeo said that the US was prepared to "use every tool" to bring the American men back from Venezuela. He declined to give additional information on who funded the alleged operation."
     
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    How many US ships have ran into civilian ships?
     
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    That raid was launched from Colombia. I don't think it had anything to do with the RCGS Resolute

    A few, but:

    1) We don't (at least generally) do it intentionally

    2) I'm not aware of any USN ships sunk by a collision with a civilian vessel, at least in recent decades.
     
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    As opposed to the geniuses we'd be if we just accepted your / Maduro's narrative?
     
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    Agreed.

    Fools are fools whenever they be duped

    while willing participants bend in contusion


    of those you’ve listed (gnoib, zoom copter, heartburn, The dimon, Alexander Ulyanov, Poohbear, Heartburn, Le Chef, Kal'Stang, Doofensmirtz, HurricaneDitka and Baghdad bob)
    not a morsel of moot

    for theirs is conviction of a foregone conclusion
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    Unless they invaded by sea route which is very much feasible.
     
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    The Naiguatá collision with the Resolute was back on March 30. The "operation" with Airan Berry and Luke Denman wasn't launched until May 3rd. They called it "a daring amphibious raid ... launched from the border of Colombia". Here's the boat they used:
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    https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/RCGS-RESOLUTE-IMO-9000168-MMSI-255806208 says the Resolute has been in port for 41 days.
     
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    Look, I just want you people to stop mocking others, and to think before accepting anything from the MSM - which includes all the references that were given, as well as the BBC since they also follow Washington/London's line.

    The Cruise ship was a brilliant way to send mercenaries to Venezuela. The men could very easily disembark at night, but it failed - as did the next attempt. Maduro, and anyone in his position would and should be on watch for anything since an invasion of Venezuela has been threatened for some time.

    As for the Resolute to be at port for 41 days, means the ship is not free to leave. Venezuela does have a case against them.


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    WILLEMSTAD - Venezuela is demanding that the Dutch government open an investigation into the activities of the RCGS Resolute, a vessel presently docked in Curacao’s Saint Anna Bay for “serious aggression committed against the Venezuelan Coast Guard vessel Naiguata,” Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza has announced.


    According to Caracas, along with the Netherlands, Venezuela has asked Curacao to help investigate the incident, but received no response. In a press statement, the Ministry noted that “Venezuelan authorities do not exclude the possibility that this ship was transporting mercenaries to attack military bases in Venezuela.”

    “This attacking ship (RCGS Resolute) violated national and international regulations and conventions in our waters and docked in the port of Willemstad Curacao, requesting fuel. What are the local authorities waiting for?” he asked. According to the defense minister, despite the complaint made by Venezuelan authorities, “we have received no response from the authorities of the Island of Curacao.”

    This afternoon, the Minister of Transport, Zita Jesus-Leito indicated that the ship arrived in the harbor to bunker but no one is allowed to disembark. Only the crew is on board. It is a ship that had an accident near Venezuela but that is not Curaçao’s problem. The ship will be permitted to leave and the problem should be resolved between Venezuela and Portugal, which is where the ship is registered.




     
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    First of all, even your own cite disproves this:
    And secondly, why do you choose to interpret the fact that it has not yet chosen to leave as evidence that it is not permitted to do so? Why can't it just be repairing the battle damage from its glorious victory over the Naiguatá?
     
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    I read where Carnival Cruise Lines is going back to sea full speed ahead in August, and has more bookings than they did last year. Pent up demand and frustration I guess, but I never would have guessed that.
     

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