How many Covid deaths are acceptable

We're BACK to "They were gonna die anyway" again?

 

Haha. History repeating itself, except they didn't shut down 50% of peoples' jobs. In 1968, it was called the "Hong Kong Flu".

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Interesting list of news headlines from 1968 flu in this article:
https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/headlines-from-an-earlier-outbreak-1968-hong-kong-flu

 

Right and many died as a result of knowing the value of social distancing. Also Covid-19 fatality rate is still higher and a very high comparative infection rate in short time.

 

We failed to secure the nursing homes. That is our biggest failure, and I believe most of the country feels a general sense of mourning for so many losses of our fragile and elderly population so quickly. It is a shock. That sadness does not however change the fact that the average life expectancy after being placed in a nursing home is six months. One can experience the emotional sadness and loss of life and also look cold hard facts directly in the face.

What are we going to do next though? As people age and get placed into end-of-life care homes and the virus does not go away, are we to keep family from visiting their relatives during the last few precious months they have on this earth from here on out? When granny or gramps gets sent to a home, we're just going to say our goodbyes at the entry door and then wave through the windows? Is that the permanent "new way" to allow our seniors to go? Maybe we should ask them what they want.

 

We won't really know until the numbers of other causes of death are compiled in the final 2020 tally. Well, the fatality rate will be the fatality rate, but we are counting a lot of people who died of other causes as Covid deaths, so other causes will necessarily decrease. Only then will we be able to estimate something close to "excess" deaths.

 

Actually we are undercounting total COVID-19 cases. We are definitely not overcounting on the aggregate. There are some who had heart conditions and Covid-19 diagnosis comorbidity and if the Covid-19 was shown with reasonable evidence to have triggered a heart attack prematurely then yes, it's labeled Covid-19 as it should be.

Then there is this fact: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-patients-neurological-symptoms-covid19/

 

We won't know how many additional deaths we had this year until the year is over and we have a count.

Listen to this segment clip of one of the daily briefings and how Dr. Birx describes the "cause of death" reporting guidelines compared to other countries.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1247669966939262977

 

Dr. Birx is highly unreliable. I don't focus much on her claims. I am referring to the current fatality rates...the yearly will show after the year is over and approved adjustments.

 

Yes, it will.

Birx is head of the medical and data side of the task force and is the main driver in setting the guidelines.

 

Yes she is, but she has made bad decisions too quickly siding with Trump's untrue statements. She is an absolute expert but she is getting too politically minded.

Anyways time will tell.

 

Trump has been following her and Fauci's lead...you know, because he is not a doctor. At this point, there had better be a lot of Covid deaths, or the nation and other countries are going to feel like we and the rest of the world have been misled. After all, you don't shut down and destroy the global economy for a virus that kills fewer than 0.3%. They need numbers as high as possible to justify the loss of jobs to the public and the decade or more it will take to rebuild.

 

Trump has often contradicted what Birx and Fauci have said. The fatality rate in the US us between 5.5% and 7.2%. The global fatality rate is similarly high. It is impossible that the fatality rate is as low as 0.3% - 2%. It is far higher. That's irrefutable at this point.

 

https://www.today.com/parents/trump...chools-absolutely-t181606?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma

 

You're citing the current (and ever changing) case fatality rate.

The crude fatality rate is far, far lower. It's currently at 0.03% and may increase to 0.1% by the end of the year, which would put us at 325,000 deaths in the U.S. If the crude fatality rate hit as high at 0.3% we'd be just under 1 million deaths.

 

Crude fatality rate is far higher too. Even assuming an extra 1.3 million undiagnosed cases without fatality, or a 20% over diagnosis versus a 25% - 50% underdiagnosis elsewhere. Crude will be 1.5% - 4%.

Even with changes in crude fatality or moving averages we are at 5%-7.5 % case fatality rate regardless.

That's just the facts.

 

Crude mortality rate = % of the population who die from the disease.

Current crude mortality rate = 82,246/325,000,000 = 0.03%

That's just the facts.

 

The crude mortality rate Irrelevant and not the point at all. Only case moratality and crude fatality rate matter right now. I'm surprised you don't understand this. I'm discussing crude fatality rate and not crude mortality rate. Also, we are a long way off from Covid-19 new deaths and spikes in various states.

I suggest you take a course in epdemiology statistics. I could tutor you if you'd like.

 

the fact is, they're only using the rate of hospitalized severely impacted folks as the total infected, yet they count every death as a covid death if the cadaver test positive for antibodies, even if the cadaver was run over by a train...

bs numbers to fit an agenda...

 

Crude fatality does NOT = crude mortality.

 

Nope. They are not counting that way.

 

How many different ways can you say

"They were gonna die anyway"?

Excess deaths have already been explained. The estimate is that Covid deaths are undercounted by 50% and deaths by indirect causes (not getting to hospitals because of fear of the virus or because hospitals were overwhelmed accounts for that number again

Mostly Fauci...and HE is not caving. Hence the attacks on him

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

Excess deaths

 

You count whatever floats your boat. What matters to me is what % of people die out of the population. It's not at all irrelevant to me.

New York City shouldn't have a large second wave after Cuomo seeded the nursing homes with infected residents across the state. We probably need to worry more about second waves in states where the governors put in an early plan to isolate the infected residents from the non-infected. City and state results will vary.

 

Okay, it does, but mince words.

Synonyms for fatality include casualty, loss, death, victim, mortality, prey, dead, accident, deadliness and deathliness.

 

We'll see how many excess deaths there were in 2020 sometime next year.

The U.N. has estimated the crude fatality rate for the U.S. at 8.88 deaths per 1000 people, not including Covid.

Between 8.5 and 9.5 would be "normal". Over 9 could be considered excess.

And as an aside, look how many "excess" people the U.N. is predicting for the U.S. to keel over from here until 2050. You'd think after the Baby Boom generation are gone, the curve would slope down, but they're showing an increasing plateau for the entire second half of the century. Wonder what they have planned for us next? Poverty and starvation? Flesh eating bacteria, the side-effect of all the anti-bacterials we're using today?



https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate