Is the US Constitution flawed?

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  1. Pollycy

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    Ever notice that in the vast majority of instances, those who carp and bitch endlessly about the United States Constitution are those in the hyperliberal, Leftist faction?!

    When was the last time you heard a right-wing Conservative bellyaching and whining about what's actually IN our Constitution...? 8)
     
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    “Term limits” refers to the number of permissible terms, not the length of them. But then ... you knew that.
     
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    everyone is protected in the same way, via the 14th amendment.
     
  4. RodB

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    That's true. Same for presidents, senators, and representatives. IMO this is the way it should be.
     
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    I did.
    My point is the is already a mechanism to boot people from office.
    But, then... you knew that.
     
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    ugh, dude, seriously?
     
  7. Seth Bullock

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    I did.

    But the system is rigged to make that as hard as possible, and hence we have permanent members of Congress. And of course, you knew that.
     
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    It's not flawed, and if it were flawed, there are provisions self-contained in it for changing it. This is a total non-issue.
     
  9. Kranes56

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    Please see below.

    Lol no. There are lots of discrepancies in how people are treated. The US was actually accused of violating human rights of minorities in the US. There was a community in Alabama that didn’t have access to clean drinking water and the state refused to help them get a system in place. Because “It’s not the states job to make sure people have drinking water”. Conicidentally enough the rich people in town have government sponsored water treatment systems.
     
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    I never said the govn't didn't violate the 14th amendment. But the 14th amendment protects everyone equally.
     
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    How are people able to get around it?
     
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    they aren't. A violation is a violation. Same way people get around murder laws, or any other law that is broken and sometimes not punished.
     
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    That would be getting around the law.
     
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    no, it's getting away with violating the law. Happens every day with virtually every single law. You probably do it several times a day yourself. Speeding, stop sign etc.
     
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    It is the left that wants a fundamentally transformed country that doesn't mesh with the Constitution. Obama ran for president in 2008 on that idea.
     
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    Right. That's specifically written in. If it were not, it would not be a "right."
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Agreed. Lawyers in particular required no education, specialized or otherwise, up until the early 19th century. Education is a certification that one has demonstrated some intelligence and knowledge, and sometimes not even that (Cough...Wharton Business School and Trump..cough)
     
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    No, trial, even all of due process could still be a right. The Constitution and the Founding Fathers were both at pains to point out that not all of our rights were enumerated. Many more than the Ten have been found over the years
     
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    Where did Obama say he wanted a transformed country that wouldn't mesh with the Constitution?
     
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    Obama has always criticized the Constitution, especially when, as an adjunct professor, he taught constitutional law in Chicago (U of CGO???). In Colombia, MO at one of his last campaign stops just before the election in 2008 he proudly and loudly proclaimed (pretty close) to a cheering crowd, "We are five days away from fundamentally changing the United States of America." You do not fundamentally change someone or something you love, and you cannot fundamentally change America without pretty much canning the Constitution.
     
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    Oh sure, I break the law all the time on my bike. The question is why are we allowed to do it, why doesn't it have enough teeth for someone to fight against it?

    Cool. Positive right.
     
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    I don't understand what you are asking? Getting away with a violation doesn't have any relevance to the fact that it is in deed a violation.
     
  23. An Taibhse

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    Yes it did, but it also had provisions that were used to correct the flaws. Which, by the way, in the case of slavery, was intentional, to get the slave owning states to join the union. Few know that the Slavery question was on the minds of the FF, and that the many of the Northern states had abolished slavery, and it was promised the issue of slaver was to be shelved until 1805, giving the slave owning states whose economies were dependent on slavery, time to prepare for the abolition of slavery. The importing of slaves was made illegal around 1808, but abolishing the institution took a war.
    So, Amendments have been done, but the Founding Fathers expressed that they expected a Constitutional Convention, as suggested by Jefferson, at least once a generation.
     
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    The "Preamble" is the Constitution. The rest is a description of the rules and procedures that guide how that Constitution is implemented and maintained.
     
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    We have a constitution that’s supposed to protect human rights but it doesn’t. Why doesn’t it even when we’re supposed to have the protections? Not as a violation but as a systematic problem.
     

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