Opening the Country: Trump's two faces

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    We know the alternatives: saving lives is going to cost the economy. And opening the economy is going to cost lives.

    Democrats say: "let's find a balance!" But Trump wants to be on both sides of the issue. He advocates for the country to open no matter what and, at the same time, his CDC guidelines say the contrary.

    What is Trump's position? He wants to be as vague as possible. So he can point to opening the economy when it's convenient, but pointing to the CDC guidelines when it's not.

    The Democrat's position is clear: follow the CDC guidelines. It's a clear sensible non-partisan position. After all, the guidelines were set by the Trump administration. They weren't set by Democrats. The only thing Democrats say is that they should be followed.

    This wavering position that Trump has adopted is going to both cost lives and also harm the economy. It's not a balance. It's the worst of both worlds. And the only reason he does this is to try to have a talking point for November.

    There is no doubt that we chose the worst time possible to have an incompetent President* in charge.

    BTW, anybody claiming nonsense like "Democrats want to keep the economy closed"... Be prepared with a quote, reference, link... showing any Democrat advocating for doing anything beyond the instructions of the Trump administration's own guidelines.
     
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    Open the country!!!

    Democrats have a vested interest in destroying America so they can fundamentally transform it into a global socialist police state. They think the more damage the Chinese bio weapon causes, the better their own odds of winning are. They are purposely trying to make it as bad as possible. That's why they order nursing homes to take Coronavirus patients. They didn't do that in Florida. That's why the virus hits blue areas the hardest.

    The lockdowns are a sneak peek at the new normal Democrats want to manage America's decline into.

    Are you willing to go through similar lockdowns when Democrats declare their climate emergency? They seem to delight in taking people's liberties.
     
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    Exactly how much more SOCIALIST do you think we can get with taxpayers already bailing out businesses both large and small and giving as many citizens as possible rich and poor a check for $1200 and $500 more for each of their dependents under age 18.That is about as socialist as you can get.
     
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    True, and also insane. Imagine fighting a crisis by creating a different and worse one. It reminds me of Australia importing cane toads to eat the cane beetles.
     
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    The lockdown was to flatten the curve. The curve has been flattened. Time to open up.
     
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    The lockdown was meant to buy time for the hospitals to prepare so they weren't overwhelmed.

    Democrats don't want to let this crisis go to waste. They want to use it as an excuse to impose their political agenda on people.

    This is the Democrats chance to force things on America that would never pass a vote.

    China is proud.
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    The only true option out of this mess is mass resignations. Anything short is a recipe for guaranteed chaos through the rest of the year. Sure. It’s apparently a counter intuitive move but we’re dealing with a merry band of incompetents, ideologues, and brown-nosing sycophants.

    It’s not going to happen so chaos is in order for the rest of the year.
     
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    Would these people resigning from the Democrat Party be replaced, or...?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no reason to hand any of that to the rich or to big corporations.
     
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    Wrong! Where did you get that idea? The lockdown was to save lives and give us time to understand what was going on. Separate the myth from reality. Unfortunately, having a pathological liar for President isn't helping
     
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    Trump has not advocated for the country to open no matter what. He would like to see the country opened as would most of us.

    The governors have the responsibility for their own state. The CDC has issued guidelines. It is up to the governors to follow them or not to follow them.

    The only problem is you and the other democrats who oppose opening until the threat is completely gone which is never going to happen.
     
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    The original intent was to flatten the curve so that the hospitals could handle the load.

    There are a number of links which say about the same thing.

    "The "flattening the curve" chart illustrates the wave of new coronavirus cases expected to hit. A high curve means the virus is spreading quickly; some people won’t get the medical care they need, and the number of deaths is likely to increase. A low curve means coronavirus is spreading slowly, which gives doctors the time and resources to treat more people (and hopefully save more lives). "
    https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/flatten-the-curve-meaning
     
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    "Vaccine or no vaccine, we're back" -The Orange Blob

    Your extreme loyalty to Trump produces a very selective reading of the news.
     
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    You obviously don’t know what socialism is, so spare us the laughs.
     
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    And the governors are opening the states. Not Trump. Trump has not opened a single state.
     
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    Both sides of the issue is the description of ‘balance’. More Orange Man Bad whining.
     
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    Pssssst, they don’t know how state, and federal government functions.
     
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    What state has trump opened up?
     
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    Yep!
     
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    Why... the State of Dementia, of course! Haven't you been listening to his apologists?
     
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    In other words, you are in the state of Denial. The Democratic state of Denial will never open up.
     
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    Have you forgotten that the Democrats are about to nominate Joe Biden for senator or whatever office he thinks he is running for this week.
     
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    Obviously too much research can clog the proper functioning of the brain. Lockdown was to help manage hospital admissions. Remember the 40,000 ventilators Cuomo demanded or the hundreds of extra ICU's? Sometimes models are wrong. Fortunately those used in this case have been wrong 100% of the time.
     
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    ^^^Complete nonsense.
     
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    Your dodge is noted. That still doesn’t answer my question, because last time I checked it was the governors calling shots on when they were going open the states back up. I know trump lives in your head rent free, but he doesn’t have that kind of authority.
     

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