Testimonies of those who changed....

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by DennisTate, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    I voted for a man that became born again so his past is irrelevant he is now a new creation in Christ
     
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    Did we miss a born again moment during the term? Regardless he's still bearing false witness, especially when he says one thing and then claims he didn't say it. It's still theft if he hasn't gone back and made payment to those he failed to pay before.
     
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    No you keep deflecting. You talk about everything else that one votes for but you never answer this one question.

    Do you believe that Christians in positions of power to create laws, should use that power to create laws that forces non-Christians to follow Christian values?

    Every answer that you have provided thus far in no way reflects how a supposed Christian should vote with regards to how it affects non-Christians.
     
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    More propaganda from democrats
     
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    Show where that has happened. You are making stuff up that makes no sense.Has Trump done that?
     
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    DAmn! You dodged so far that you failed to even be anywhere near the question.

    Do you believe that Christians in positions of power to create laws, should use that power to create laws that forces non-Christians to follow Christian values?
     
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    then when you said this................
    you were being hypocritical?
     
  8. Polydectes

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    The reasoning behind the claim that it's a choice or not a choice is because they can hold gay people accountable for their attraction. So they can be justified in saying that you're a sinner and if you really wanted to be a good person you would go seek conversion therapy.

    It's a way to protect religious beliefs that are losing compatibility with reality.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Again, I have a hard time understanding why it matters. If someone’s ideology suggests being gay is a sin, then it’s simply a matter of that person not committing the sin. As for the person supposedly sinning, what does it matter? Their sin is between them and their god.
    I have been told more than once I am going to hell because I won’t agree to believe in a particular ideology being sold me, to which I say, so why should that matter to anyone but me and the god I am pissing off?
     
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    It matters where those who are claiming it is a sin are trying to forced those others into behaving as the believer wants.
     
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    It matters to people do they can avoid reevaluating their beliefs.

    It's an existential issue. Gays don't matter their proverbial sins don't matter (outside of having something that is considered bad that they don't do so they can say "I'm not as bad as those people").

    The more acceptance it gets the more research the more open minded views the less relevance stodgy relics hold.
     
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    So, they decide it’s up to them to force their god’s law on someone else? So much for free will.
     
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    I find the entire notion of judging someone for who they are sexually attracted to silly. If I am in a pub, looking down the bar, I am not attracted to the men at the bar, but then, I am not attracted to 95% of the women either... shoot me for that.
     
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    I don't if you are a forty year old man and you find a three year old girl attractive. I'm going to judge you as being a pedophile and suggest you need therapy before you act on it

    But with regard to consenting adults, I agree.

    Some people take exception to that. Fat acceptance for instance.
     
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    Yeah. We have one on this very thread who is of the "Christians are supposed to force others to follow Christian beliefs" type. He keeps twisting in the wind to avoid admitting it.
     
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    Predation is a different matter than an attraction.
     
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    It's so cute that you think that Trump is anything other than a Christian of Convenience ... if it will get him what he wants, he will
    tell you anything.
     
  18. Polydectes

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    Doubt it happens without attraction.

    But I digress it isn't really part of the discussion.

    The reason people care about this is existential.
     
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    In this case it is significant. Pedophilia, H e b ephilia and Ephebophilia (I think I have the spellings correct. Had to spread the word out on edit because for some reason He-be was considered a bad word.) are all impulse control disorders, similar to kleptomania. So having an attraction to another adult usually isn't going to lead to a non-consensual action. But to a child in one of the age ranges of the three disorders, it is highly likely. On the one side, I will agree with you if the only thing you know is that they have those impluses. At that point you don't know whether they have acted on them or not, and as such should not judge. Once it is known whether or not they recognize this in themselves and if so whether or not they seek help, then you can judge. But even that is limited, because quite simply there are people out there that want to isolate, imprison, or even kill someone with the disorder, even if that person has never harmed a child. That fear has driven people to not seek help.
     
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    What you are saying is irrelevant. I have explained it is about voters. Christians do not vote for democrats
     
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    That is a lie.
     
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    More of your lies and taking what is said out of context. What you show is you hate that Christians have the same rights as you
     
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    His actions prove it. Look how he wants Churches opened and so hateful democrats burn a church in Mississippi
     
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    Bull crap. Millions of church going Christians vote for who they want to vote for, be they Republicans or Democrats.
     
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    Is it? Please show how it could be otherwise. The logic is quite simple. If the believer is not allowed to vote for a politician who would vote to allow non-believers to have an abortion, then by default the believer has to vote for the politician who would vote to make it illegal for a non-believer to have an abortion. That is forcing the non-believer to adhere to Christian beliefs. The same principle applies to marriage, sex, working on the Sabbath, birth control...the list goes on.
     

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