Roe v Wade: Woman behind US abortion ruling was paid to recant

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  1. NightOwl

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    Like I said. Im actually totally fine if a woman wants to kill her unborn baby - but lets not pretend its anything other than killing.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because I want to discuss the topic. Your actions, since you are
    not discussing the topic
    not bothering to discuss anything related to the topic
    amount to trolling.
     
  3. DaveBN

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    Why are you repeating yourself? I’ve already answered this question.

    If someone said they were just quickly perusing a book shelf I would know what they meant, but it wouldn’t make their use of the word correct.
     
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    Forcing a man to be pay for his child when he wants nothing to do with it.
     
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    If one is responsible enough to use protection then they should be able to use reasonable measures if that protection fails.

    Men should also choose to sever paternity if they so choose. It should not be solely up to the woman.

    I have not “hand waved away your points” — I did not see them made in the manner you just did.

    You seem to be getting irate for some reason. If you are not making your points where others can understand them then that is your issue.

    As I said, you had not directly expressed your view. Since you are becoming... irate... we can simply close the discussion.
    Cheers
     
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    Which is interesting because a woman can kill a mans child without his consent but if a man wants to abort the same fetus he can be denied and forced into paying for it. Some double standard we have going on isn't it?
     
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    So quit talking about me and discuss the topic. Part of that includes explaining what you mean by things you say and meeting disagreement.

    I asked you what you meant by a rather odd statement and you accused me of trolling because I asked you to explain yourself.

    I think you just want to avoid the topic with someone that doesn't echo back what you believe.
     
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    So women should be forced to carry to term an unwanted zygote at risk to both her health and her career because men have to pay child support?
    Would you support allowing women to do with their bodies as the please if men could renounce their paternity within the same time frame that a woman is allowed to have an abortion?

    Should those men be forced to witness vaginal ultrasounds, view fetal photos and undergo 3 day waiting period?
     
  9. DaveBN

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    I’m not pretending it isn’t killing. Terminating living tissue, by definition, is killing it. I wouldn’t be any more reluctant to say a fetus is killed when aborted than I would be to say cancer cells are killed by chemotherapy.
     
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    Let's try again since the point was missed.

    This is about the DISHONESTY of the "pro-life" movement. Paying bribes? Hush money? This is just part of their modis.

    The legislative attacks on Women's rights. Hiding obvious attempts to deny women the right to control their own bodies behind "protecting women" by requiring doctors have privileges at a nearby hospital then threatening the hospitals if they grant those privileges? That is nothing but dishonest.

    But here. with this light shined right into their operations we can see just how scummy this movement truly is.

    There is no lie they won't tell.
    No scam they won't pull.
    To deny women their rights.

    I've been in many discussions where one of them pulled this out and shoved it in my face. "SEE?!?!?!"

    Well, SEE?!?!
    Your leaders have been lying to you for 25 years and longer.
    What other shady deals have the beed pulling with your donations?
     
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    Doesn't equate forcing a woman to undergo a forced ultrasound.

    Of course some would equate money to rights but they're really not in the same category.
     
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    I said asked and answered. I'm not here to reteach the 6000 years of history you apparently failed to learn.
     
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    They are anti-women who do not share their religious beliefs - and yes .. they are anti themselves being for legislation that will harm the rights of all women.
     
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    To all of those who feel having sex is consent to the possibility of an unwanted child and they should abstain if they don’t want children yet, I have to ask the following: Do you believe that sexual compatibility is an important part of a healthy relationship? And to follow that, do you believe that relationships that do not end in divorce are better at caring for children?
     
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    So why do you keep responding to me?

    I don't see history through the prism of feminism because it's a skewed backward view.
     
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    engaging in an activity that can result in pregnancy in 99.999999999999% of the cases is a choice. as the one actually having the child it is the onus of the female to assure this doesn't happen if she dosen't wish it to happen., the male has a responsibility also although the female has the bigger share of responsibility. don't hate if I sound sexist. it's biology. another uncomfortable truth
     
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    You're just demonizing people that you don't agree with.

    Standard defense mechanism.
     
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    You’re right, sex is a choice. You’re also right that it can result in pregnancy, though I’d guess your statistic was pulled out of thin air. What is your point?
     
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    Abortion is also a choice, if the “onus” is on the female then she should have the right to pop a pill if the protection she chose fails.
     
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    Did you know abortion has been around since ancient times?

    They used what we now call Pennyroyal Tea to induce abortion.
    Of course, a significant percentage of the time they ended up killing the mother.
    Buy hey, who's counting, right?
     
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    Stating a fact is not "demonizing" Get a grip :) The Pro Life movement tries to make legislation which harms the rights of women.

    That you can not deal with this reality - is perhaps why your denial mechanism was triggered.
     
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    Did you know in the 70s it was really a way to kill off black people sold as women's liberation?
    6000 years ago it's understandable. Now with sex Ed and birth control every where. You have to be really irresponsible to wind up with unplanned pregnancy.
     
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    It absolutely is. I dont morally agree with either logic but it is true.
     
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    I'm personally not a law maker but my opinion would be neither party is able to back out of the deal period. But I believe in fair terms. If a woman is going to abort or have the option the man should have the option too. Same or similar requirements as the woman.
     
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