Trump's claim he takes hydroxy chloroquine prompts warnings from health experts

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    However, the flu vaccine IS NOT A CURE;

    How effective is the flu vaccine?

    In seasons when the vaccine viruses matched circulating strains, flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40 percent to 60 percent. Flu vaccination can reduce the risk of flu-associated hospitalization for children, working age adults, and older adults.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+e...1fd13646e2409c66c&cc=CA&setlang=en-US&plvar=0

    Please read the above 10 times, and then, answer the following question;

    If we had a proven drug that PREVENTED, (PREVENTED means 100% effective), flu-associated hospitalization, WOULD WE STILL NEED A VACCINE?
     
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    Vaccine is a cure to a particular virus

    They make new flu vaccines all the time because the common flu mutates.

    They could make a vaccine for this Corona Virus strain, and it would be a cure for it, but maybe not another strain of Corona
     
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    A Minnesota woman, who suffers from Lupus has taken hydroxychloroquine for 19 years, she contracted Covid -19 virus earlier this year and almost died from it. Which tends to conclusively prove this drug does NOTHING TO PREVENT COVID-19
     
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  4. nopartisanbull

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    Quote: "but with the virus now mutating in China, it could end up like the flu vaccine having low effectiveness"

    How effective is the flu vaccine?

    In seasons when the vaccine viruses matched circulating strains, flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40 percent to 60 percent. Flu vaccination can reduce the risk of flu-associated hospitalization for children, working age adults, and older adults.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+e...1fd13646e2409c66c&cc=CA&setlang=en-US&plvar=0

    Please read the above 10 times, and then, answer the following question;

    If we had a proven drug that PREVENTED, (PREVENTED means 100% effective), flu-associated hospitalization, WOULD WE STILL NEED A VACCINE?
     
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  5. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    YOUR QUOTE: Vaccine is a cure to a particular virus

    You're definitely not a good listener.....

    According to the CDC, IT IS NOT!

    ONCE AGAIN;

    How effective is the flu vaccine?

    In seasons when the vaccine viruses matched circulating strains,
    In seasons when the vaccine viruses matched circulating strains,
    In seasons when the vaccine viruses "MATCHED" circulating strains
    In seasons when the vaccine viruses "MATCHED" circulating sragins….

    .....flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40 percent to 60 percent.

    Flu vaccination can reduce the risk of flu-associated hospitalization for children, working age adults, and older adults.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+e...1fd13646e2409c66c&cc=CA&setlang=en-US&plvar=0
     
  6. nopartisanbull

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    Of course!

    And we still don't know how effective Trump's/Moderna's vaccine will be?

    Hopefully, 100% effective, however, we may have to settle for less.
     
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    A single anecdotal case proves nothing, there could be thousands more that did receive benefit from hydroxychloroquine.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102591/
     
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    It would obviously be the easiest way to sort things out. A vaccine that works and everyone gets it - covid-19 is essentially no more..but I think it is questionable whether we will get a vaccine. They have never been able to find one for the cold and it is possible that even if they managed the virus would change to make it non effective so I am not putting my money on that. One of the attempts for Sars 1 resulted in people getting a worse infection!!

    Horizon which I was watching last night was suggesting face masks if used by everyone would keep the RO down and using phones to know where you are and informing those who were there when you were with the virus could help.....however we all know how that can be misused and I have just heard this evening that in Israel which I think is where they started that, Doctors are complaining that it makes their job more difficult.

    It is interesting that this is happening at the time when AI is going to mean a lot less people needed for employment. I am just watching something which is saying the obvious - that those in power are using the coronavirus to make the changes they want, in particular to stop China getting on top through AI or as they call it 'Security State Using Coronavirus to implement an Orwellian Nightmare' :)
     
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    Quote: "but I think it is questionable whether we will get a vaccine. They have never been able to find one for the cold".

    HOWEVER,

    If we had a proven drug that PREVENTED, (PREVENTED means 100% effective), flu-associated hospitalization, we wouldn't need a vaccine.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    Oh right, CNN, Chuck Todd, Mika and Joe are all "Fake News" and when Trump speaks it'd like coming from the burning bush. Do you have a list of the "fake news" stories from your targets and would you like to compare that list to Trumps "truths"?
     
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    Oh FFS. Here, this is from your posted article
    "A state Health Department official said the DOH has shipped doses of hydroxychloroquine to 56 hospitals across New York, distributing enough “to treat 4,000 patients to date.”

    Patients have received doses as part of four- or 10-day regimens, officials said."

    So the article says that 4000 doses have been shipped. That in no way means they have been used. It also says it's an 8 week study with no date given on the article. The point being that the author of the article took different "facts" and bent them to make the point they wanted to make with no real proof to back up the claim.

    There's your ****** rebuttal. If you had actually read the article and not the 1st four lines and any critical thinking mechanism you would have understood that. Oh, side note, the "news" station is a right wing Florida pro Trump station.
     
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    Burning bush? I noticed dems always revert to biblical reference when talking about presidents.

    Anyway, no it’s not like that Govt isn’t God.
     
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    No I doubt if that would work. Covid-19 is not a flue. It would need its own vaccine.
     
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    In reference to Covid19....

    If we had a proven drug that PREVENTED hospitalizations, (PREVENTED means 100% effective), we wouldn't need a vaccine.

    Agree or disagree?

    Note: Some have claimed that hydroxychloroquine PREVENTS hospitalization for Covid.
     
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    Well obviously if there is no problem there is no need for a solution.

    I don't believe there is any evidence for that. I suspect that is a wish. What has been shown is that hydroxychloroquine and Zinc lead to a better outcome. In the one study I saw that included half the death rate...but that was not a study which follows all the guidelines so more would need to be done as well as it and zinc with and without the antibiotic. I seem to remember hearing that no one has suggested it in order to stop you getting Covid-19. I do know though that some people believe it would be good to give as soon as people are found to have the virus, provided there are no contraindications and of course taken with Zinc but this needs proper study first and the trials did not show it was plain sailing but that it did produce a better outcome, in particular for many more remaining alive. You know there is still so much about this virus we do not know. It is being understood now that it attacks not just the respiratory tract but the heart, liver brain, many organs. It is also probable that many people will have a life time disability after having it. I hear the US Military will not allow in anyone who has been in hospital for covid-19.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    One has to TRY to you refrences that will be understood. Didn't work in this case because it apparently distracted you from the subject.
     
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    You are wrong again. It proves nothing.
     
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    Yeah guess it did....not sure what point you were trying to make

    President Trump or for that matter, any President, doesn't report news either....so they can't be "Fake News"
     
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    Depends on the cost and actual effectiveness of each method.

    But things like these may not be knowable in the post-modumb era.
     
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    But, but, but have you heard the latest? Now CDC says the main threat is airborne, and surfaces are not much of a threat. How can the be with billions of manhours put into cleaning surfaces?
     
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    We have a bunch of "medical experts" that are nothing more than leftwing political hacks. For example, they flip out in "concern" over folks going to the beach, but sign a letter of support stating that rioting is so important that it should take concern over the increased risk of spreading COVID. They are nothing more than the Paul Krugman's of the medical field.

    New Indian study on HCQ prophylaxis in health care workers: “Consumption of four or more maintenance doses of HCQ was associated with a significant decline in the odds of getting infected.”
     
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    Malaria drugs are gaitway to Lysol.
     
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    You will absolutely settle for less. There is no such thing as a 100% effective vaccine. :)
     
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    This "study" is a pretty shoddy example of any kind of meaningful research.

    Way short of any useful information, dates, numbers, and such.

    Sounds like this is a typical reference for Trump to tell everyone to save everyone's life!
     
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