So after 100 thousand Americans have died, we know whose fault all of this is.

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    No. Not really.
    Try this.
    https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/
     
  2. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me explain how the world actually works. National Hurricane Center sends out a forecast path with circles of probability. The local authorities decide what areas should be evacuated or take other precautions based on the national hurricane center forecast. Not on a bunch of lines the president puts on a briefing chart. Like I said, the only people who reacted to that sharpie was the media and the liberals.
     
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    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Interesting - so you acknowledge that his briefing was misleading and ineffectual and this is the standard to which a former military officer holds for the draft dodging CnC?
     
  4. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The AP seems to have a different timeline than does your Mother Jones link.

    https://apnews.com/9e22f8aabe2f454593b9f9b4c67eb31f

    When discussing the announcement of the travel ban..."Hours later, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines announced they were suspending all flights between the U.S. and China"




    US Advises No Travel to China, Where New Coronavirus Deaths Top 200

    Soon after the advisory, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines announced they were suspending all flights between the U.S. and China.
    https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/01/3...o-china-where-new-coronavirus-deaths-top-200/
     
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  6. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Not really. Two days later.

    White House officials said Tuesday they were considering a China travel ban but said then they had not contacted the airlines. Friday's decision by all three domestic carriers to suspend their service all but rendered White House action moot, though the administration did declare the coronavirus to be a public health emergency in the United States late Friday.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...elta-cuts-all-flights-white-house/4620989002/
     
  7. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your link does not refute mine. Your link does not provide a timeline comparing the time when the ban was announced versus when the airlines announced their service shutdown. Mine does. It says.....US Advises No Travel to China, Where New Coronavirus Deaths Top 200
    Soon after the advisory, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines announced they were suspending all flights between the U.S. and China.
     
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    That could be avoided if he just declare himself a Democrat.
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/26/containing-new-coronavirus-may-not-be-feasible-experts-say/
    https://thehill.com/changing-americ...s/480742-the-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-is-an
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/...e-sustained-global-spread-of-new-coronavirus/
    https://www.newscientist.com/articl...set-to-cause-a-pandemic-how-do-we-control-it/
    https://theconversation.com/what-is-a-super-spreader-an-infectious-disease-expert-explains-130756

    Note: These are only from January. Articles in February were much more urgent and pressing. While Fox was telling you that this would not be a problem and Trump was holding rallies and golfing, experts were telling him that a tsunami was approaching.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    100,000 is .03% of the population, a little over 3% of the normal annual number of deaths from all causes, with most occurring in the age group that had a very high probability of being counted in the normal annual number of deaths group anyway.
     
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    No. I only acknowledge that it is not an uncommon occurrence and is only a big deal the media and liberals.

    As far as draft dodging goes, it was a legal deferment just like millions of other males got at the time. In fact, the majority of the people, in the Air Force did not go to Vietnam.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As was Biden, Pelosi and Cuomo.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Protect the people. That's his primary task. Exactly what he hasn't done. In over three years the only thing Trump has protected is Trump!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you now want to add God to the list of those who should be doing Trump's job?

    Not surprising.

    Keep them coming. That's what this thread is for. Who else is to blame for Trump not doing his job? The list of those who should be doing Trump's job for him keeps growing. Not only in size, but in imagination.
     
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    There is a big difference between advising US citizens not to travel to China and a Travel ban not allowing travel between the countries.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Call it whatever you want. The semantics are irrelevant in the context of this discussion.

    "President Donald Trump has signed an order that will temporarily bar foreign nationals, other than immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled in China within the last 14 days. The new restrictions, which take effect at 5 p.m. EST on Sunday, were announced by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who is coordinating the U.S. response."

    "Hours later, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines announced they were suspending all flights between the U.S. and China"

    https://apnews.com/9e22f8aabe2f454593b9f9b4c67eb31f
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well.... that's a surprise. But I'm glad you agree.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    From January 29 (Two days before this "anoucement"....)
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...n-seoul-air-suspend-flights-china/4606966002/

    Before Trump, we always had a leader in the Presidency. Now we have a follower.
     
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    In fact he has done more than Obama ever did not, mind you, that such is a high standard.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Looking SOLELY at the headline, it almost appears as if you are correct. When you actually read the text however, it says " Delta Air Lines on Wednesday joined domestic competitors American and United in scaling back flights between the U.S. and China in response to a growing and deadly coronavirus outbreak."

    Scaling back means less flights. It does NOT mean halting all flights. There is an enormous difference. They ended all flights a few days later after the ban as described in the AP link I provided.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Of course! Obama is another one who is guilty of not doing Trump's job for Trump.

    Keep going. Who else is guilty of this because they expected Trump to do his job instead of doing it for him?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Where did you read "halt all flights" from China? That would be as idiotic as claiming that Trump "banned all travel" from China.

    The point: Trump follows... somebody else leads. First time in memory we've had a follower in the presidency, instead of a leader.
     
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    I read it in this AP news article...

    https://apnews.com/9e22f8aabe2f454593b9f9b4c67eb31f

    "Hours later, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines announced they were suspending all flights between the U.S. and China"


    Perhaps you should call their editor and tell them just how "idiotic" that statement is?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What the hell are you talking about? I just showed you how the suspension of flights was announced before Trump begrudgingly signed the travel restrictions. Do you expect that shifting the subject of the debate to "the accuracy of the AP" will rescue you from the fact that you have been, yet again, proven wrong?
     
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    Im sorry. At what date did you expect Trump to call this an emergency if the experts didn’t inform him it could be defined as one? At what point in the timeline did Trump NOT take the advice of the experts and refuse to do anything that would save lives? You also need to contrast that with other nations and Democrat leadership at the same time.

    GO!!’
     

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