Justice Department dropping the case against Michael Flynn.

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, who needs a fair intelligence agency anymore when a previous administration and unelected bureaucrats can secretly try to influence an election.
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    If he had not lied why did HE SAY HE DID????
     
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    You've been told a number of times.

    Can you just, please stop?
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying he twice, in two separate court appearances, did not PLEAD GUILTY to lying to the FBI???
     
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    The election was already over long before Flynn did his lying!!!
     
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    He was forced to by the crooked prosecutors who then CONCEALED this from the Court, which is a felony.

    Crooked Prosecutors cannot commit a felony in order to force a plea. How in the world can you be lost on this very obvious fact?

    Yes, the Flynn Dismissal Upholds the Rule of Law.

    We now know that the Obama administration engaged in unprecedented abuses of power, not merely in its persistent attempts to circumvent the other branches of the United States government, but in its weaponizing of government institutions for partisan ends, including our intelligence agencies.​

    Flynn, notwithstanding Obama’s contention, was never charged with “perjury” — a crime which entails lying under oath. Flynn faced trumped-up charges related to a conversation in which he allegedly misled FBI agents. Flynn, who didn’t even know he was under investigation, was entrapped by agents conducting an inquiry devoid of any credible evidence.​

    The Obama administration already had recordings of Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and knew that the incoming national-security adviser, who spoke to numerous heads of state, did not undermine American interests — which often change, and are a matter of interpretation — nor had he agreed to drop Russian sanctions on Donald Trump’s behalf.​

    Not even the agents who conducted the interview believed that Flynn had willfully intended to deceive them. Flynn was only charged ten months after the conversation, and only to keep the bogus Russia collusion investigation going.​

    Even then, the FBI hid exculpatory evidence from Flynn and his lawyers, as Obama’s allies in the Trump administration and Mueller’s deputies continued to pretend that the former general was a lynchpin.​

    That we have so many DOJ “alumni” who think that rule of law prevents a remedy for a rigged prosecution falsely charging a man with a crime cooked up by the investigators explains why the DOJ is such a garbage institution now.

    And this nation has never faced a bigger threat to the rule of law than Barack Obama. With the determined effort of good men and women of integrity, we will survive it.
     
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    When the FBI has called you to answer questions, YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU DON"T KNOW YOU ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION!!!
     
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    There’s a lot Judge Sullivan can hang his hat on to reject Barr’s motion to dismiss.

    The information Barr claims to have uncovered isn’t new, Flynn had access to it before he affirmed his guilty plea before Sullivan.

    There are many sources confirming Flynn’s lie to be material. Trump and Pence among them.

    Barr’s motion is a joke, but we’ll have to wait and see how Sullivan handles it.
     
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    At least the prior administration was AMERICANS, so I guess you right wingers much prefer RUSSIANS interfering in our elections????
     
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    Today Judge Sullivan placed a HOLD on the dismissal of charges against Flynn!!
     
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    Yeah, isn't that something? These corrupt bastards have no shame, at all.
     
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    I was joking yesterday (could have been in another Flynn thread) that Sullivan could hold Flynn in contempt for lying under oath in a Federal court.

    Sullivan has floated the notion, WOW!

    Sullivan has always had the reputation of holding the state’s feet to the fire in his court. Apparently he’s about to set Barr and the DOJ on fire on this dismissal motion.

    Personally, I want to hear or at least have the ability to read Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak. Sullivan has the power to grant that wish.

    Also would like to know why he asked prosecutors about charging Flynn with treason. What facts motivated that question? Let’s get this information out in the public realm too.
     
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    He may now want to indict Flynn for perjury.
     
  14. Zorro

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    Circus Sullivan appears to be suffering from greater derangement than Joe Biden. That "treason" horseshit was the first hint that he is completely unfit, in terms of mental fitness and temperament for the office of trust he holds. Let me break it down. One of the ways you can quickly determine on legal issues if you are dealing with an idiot or someone who actually has a basic knowledge of the law that they didn't gain from TV dramas, is how they use the legal term "treason".

    Until our Framing, in the late 1700's, Treason operationally meant "something the monarch took offense to" a capitol offense. So it could be slander, seducing the queen or pretty much anything the ruling monarch took offense to. Our Framers hated this kind of, and this specific abuse of power, so, it is the ONLY crime defined in our constitution. You swear an oath to the constitution, and you have a few brain cells to rub together and you are also swearing to this, and only this, definition of Treason.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.​

    So, it's very specific. Fighting a war against the US, or being in league with our enemies. Conviction requires separate corroborating testimony of the same qualifying act.

    So, every attorney or judge knows this. We get folks here routinely misusing the term, but they are not judges and lawyers. Now and then we even have someone declare something "High Treason!" which tells us they learned their law from Monty Python, because there is no such charge under US law.

    So let's come back to this bumbling pile of black robed crap that "Lucky" Flynn drew to hear his case. A year or so ago, as Circus Sullivan was beginning to hear this case, he read through Flynn's pleadings, saw that he at one point was a registered representative of Turkey, leaped to the erroneous conclusion that he was a REGISTERED AGENT FOR TURKEY AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR FOR THE UNITED STATES and promptly lost his mind, shrieked TREASON! and could not be reasoned with to the extent of accepting that he had sloppily read the dates and that it was plainly clear that there was nothing even closely giving the appearance that these activities occurred during the same period of time.

    And though, certainly not the key point, WE AREN'T AT WAR WITH TURKEY. And, simply being a registered foreign agent isn't a treasonous act and so one. Well the shock wore off with time, but now Circus Sullivan has again started loudly ringing the "I'm completely out of my nuthouse!" bell again.

    Late Tuesday, federal district judge Emmet Sullivan issued a bizarre order, inviting third-party groups with no legal interests in the case to file amicus briefs addressing the Justice Department’s motion to dismiss the false-statements charge against Michael Flynn, President Trump’s former national-security adviser.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...cus-briefs-against-the-flynn-cases-dismissal/

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    So you speak for the DOJ?
     
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    I suspect that it wasn't facts, but what excuse could be used.
     
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    It’s hilarious how the dupes so flippantly throw around the word treason, even though most of them have no clue what it means.
    I always ask the sky screamers who are embarrassing themselves talking about how Flynn committed treason, why is he only being charged with lying to the FBI?
    If the Federal Bureau of Intimidation had Flynn’s phone tapped, and where listening in on his calls to a Russian ambassador, why didn’t they nail him for this supposed treasonous conspiracy with the Russians? Kinda weird, right?
    Even more baffling, why haven’t any transcripts been leaked to the government’s lapdogs in the media?

    No, you have a bunch of parrots squawking about regurgitated nonsense that they got from Alex Jones with a butch haircut, Rachel Maddow. They’re just embarrassing themselves, and they’re totally immune to actual facts. I respect how you’re wrecking these folks with truth, but in the end do you really think it’s going to do any good? You can’t wake up somebody to the truth, when they’re pretending to be asleep.
     
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    I keep asking these people what their motivation is. So far, I haven't been given an answer. I read their posts. I can see that they're not stupid. My form of logic leads me to believe that they are saying things that they don't believe; as a tactic. I just don't understand what they think that they're achieving.

    It could just all be distractions. If they can keep people on defense, they are more free to advance our destruction. But then, I'm just guessing.
     
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    Problem was that Flynn never registered as a foreign agent until after he was fired as NSA..He had been in the employ of both Turkey and Russia.
     
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    That's because it's all horseshit.
    Our goal isn't converting them. It's securing our Freedom and Liberty from their predations.

    As poorly as we have planned and executed, it's frankly amazing that we aren't so deep in an impossible hole that we can't dig out of it. And frankly, no only can we, we very likely are going to prevail here. But first let's focus on how stupid we have been for the last several decades:

    We have Judge Amy Berman and Judge Circus Sullivan on the bench in very critical court houses, for holding government officials accountantable, where the Court is supposed to secure our rights from the trampling of government. We have done nothing effective to prevent judges like this from being appointed, prior to McConnell stopping the confirmation process until Trump was elected, the only real evidence of spine we have seen out of the Republicans, probably since the mid 90's and spine was found where we least expected it, under Mitch McConnell's suit jacket.

    Take Rule 48(a) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which requires “leave of court” to dismiss criminal charges against a defendant, that Judge Sullivan is deploying against Flynn. It is well established that “Decisions to dismiss pending criminal charges lie squarely within the ken of prosecutorial discretion.” And the language

    “gives no power to a district court to deny a prosecutor’s Rule 48(a) motion to dismiss charges based on a disagreement with the prosecution’s exercise of charging authority. For instance, a court cannot deny leave of court because of a view that the defendant should stand trial notwithstanding the prosecution’s desire to dismiss the charges.”​

    Seems kinda clear, doesn't it?

    “Authority over criminal charging decisions resides fundamentally with the Executive, without the involvement of—and without oversight power in—the Judiciary.”
    “In vacating the district court order, we have no occasion to disagree (or agree) with that court’s concerns about the government’s charging decisions in this case. Rather, the fundamental point is that those determinations are for the Executive—not the courts—to make.
    We therefore grant the government’s petition for a writ of mandamus.”​

    The Flynn case arose in a different context, but the issue whether a trial judge may refuse to dismiss charges is identical, and Fokker’s discussion of Rule 48(a) fully anticipated it—and answered it decisively.

    Further, the purpose of Rule 48(a) is to be used to protect the Defendant from a prosecutor using procedure to circumvent double jeopardy protection. With the requirement that the judge be in control, a prosecutor could realize that their case wasn't going well, and dismiss it, shore the case up, and bring charges again. Under Rule 48(a) the defense can ensure that a case clearly going their way, either continues to decision or is dismissed in a manner that is permanent.

    It's not so that the Judge can stop everything and go shopping for folks to argue against dismissal, or in this case, new charges that the prosecution has no interest in charging!
     
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    Former Federal judge Gleeson has been appointed by the court to prepare the amicus brief case against Michael Flynn, they are also exploring charging him with perjury for reversing his former guilty plea in two separate Federal courts. It is projected the brief will be ready by June 10.
     
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    Adam Schiff today is calling for our Intel community to publish and release the phone conversations between Flynn and Russian ambassador Kislyak, which Flynn lied about.
     
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    .the DNI is declassifiying them. Flynn and his attorneys asked Sullivan to do this months ago...he first agreed, then the Mueller team objected and said everything that was relevant was in the Muller Report already...and Sullivan agreed.
     
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    Are you sure the phone conversations were in there???? I don't think they were!
     
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    FBI Director Christopher Wray has now launched a thorough investigation into why the FBI began it's investigation of Michael Flynn??
     

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