What have you got to lose? I will tell you, your life.

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You gave the definition of the word "study". You sure did.

    What you didn't give was the definition of a scientific study, which this is not.

    Even the math on this study, as they claim is ridiculous.

    Of the 14,888

    Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine [...].png

    So:

    0.1966 for "Chloroquine alone"
    0.2849 for "Chloroquine with macrolide"
    0.2195 for "Hydroxychloroquine alone"
    0.3118 for "Hydroxychloroquine with macrolide"

    Hydroxychloroquine alone had the 2nd lowest percentage of deaths of the 4 groups at 22% of those who survived.

    18% of those who took HC alone died. 82% survived.

    With this hilarious caveat:

    Multiple imputation for missing values was not possible because for disease and drug variables, there were no codes to indicate that data were missing; if the patient’s electronic health record did not include information on a clinical characteristic, it was assumed that the characteristic was not present
     
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  2. david gullikson

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    ANY FOOL, not taking it, in a closely monitored IN HOSPITAL situation, is encouraged NOT to take the drug. Sounds like it is reserved for MALARIA, and LUPUS. SERIOUS health conditions. But you right wingers think Trump should have included hydrocloroquine with your 1200 dollar check. to include children. Such belligerent disregard for human life.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure. That's why it's been prescribed 5.5 million times per year and has been FDA approved since 1965.

    That's also why this was written in 2005.

    Chloroquine Is a Potent Inhibitor of SARS Coronavirus Infection and Spread

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hydroxychloroquine is a drug administered by prescription.

    Your link is complete BS.
     
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    That's hilarious ^^^
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Their "study" also fails to include zinc, a necessary component, and fails to indicate the deaths for those on remdesivir.
     
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    I think we are seeing a new but related phenonema among the lefties. Let's call it HDS.
     
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    Trump is NOT a doctor.
     
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    Sean Conley is. Trump is following exactly the FDA requirements for approved use.
     
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    I take medical advice from my doctor not my President.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump also takes medical advice from his doctor. You and he have something in common.
     
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    Oh, so the WuFlu is not a serious health condition?
    Thanks for clarifying.
    Can you write a letter to Illinois governor about it? That idiot continues with his stay-at-home playground games.
     
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    That caveat applied to the whole 96000 patients! Did you want them to make up clinical characteristics? I notice that you've ran away from your bogus quote.

    You're all over the place

    And what is your point of stating (number of deaths)/(number survived)? LOL at you saying their maths is ridiculous.

    Here is the percentage death rates:
    16.43% for "Chloroquine alone"
    22.1749% for "Chloroquine with macrolide"
    18% for "Hydroxychloroquine alone"
    23.77% for "Hydroxychloroquine with macrolide"

    Now let's continue the inconvenient fact for you of the death rate of those who were not given any of those drugs:
    9.3%


    Ps : Where is your definition of the word "study"?
     
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    Everyone in the study were hospitalised hence were prescribed the drugs! Clearly you are another poster who could not be bothered to read the links
     
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    That "great French Doctor" also did not use zinc, yep that doctor who you and Trump have relied upon for your evidence.

    Why would they include remdesivir in the study?
     
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    The Lancet study is complete BS.
     
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    ZINC, is the effective treatment. NOT with cloro, ALONE. The hydrocloroquine, SIMPLY allows MORE zinc within the cell. AT GREAT COST of lives.
     
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    This speaks volumes about dem voters
     
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    Wow, your case is so strong!
     
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    THAT’S HILARIOUS.
     
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    The strong case has been made. No interest here in going through it again.
     
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    It is also a FACT. Do some studying.
     
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    Usually ranting OP's start with a capital letter. something you are very familiar with using. That said, to keep yourself very safe and far more likely to remain among the air sucking individuals, if I were you, I would refrain from taking that particular medication.
     
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    That makes two of us.
     
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    I have. It’s not.
     

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