So, Let's be like Sweden...

The claim is that we should open up like Sweden because we will "eventually" achieve herd immunity and the economic damage is worse that the deaths.

Sweden's death rate is 6.08 per million people (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/22/sweden-u-turn-controversial-covid-19-strategy)
and if we take that death rate as the disease makes its way through the population then eventually Sweden could see as many as 1.6 million deaths from the Covid virus.

In the US, if we extrapolate Sweden's death rate, and we implement their policies we could see upwards of 56 MILLION deaths from the virus.

56 million dead.

It's just math kids.

 

Umm, might want to check your math.

 

We refuse to experience a situation worse than the Great Depression due to an act of war by the Chinese communists.

 

It's just math? Your math seems crazy.

OK I'll put down a marker and say Sweden won't get anywhere near 1.6 million COVID-19 deaths. Of course that's easy to do because this seems like a hysterical post, but it's clear you are not tolerant of diversity and other cultures.

"Perhaps another explanation is that Sweden has a very different way of perceiving the current crisis. Instead of seeing it as a national emergency or a fight against an “invisible enemy”, there seems to be a tendency to regard coronavirus just as a serious public health problem. It is viewed as something that requires the careful observance of rules set out by health experts, rather than an existential problem that calls for the state to suspend civil liberties for the sake of national security."

 

How many dead without the virus? Don't use math to scare people.

 

I would not trust the numbers from any foreign country therefore I would not "do as they do". I'm even cautious about believing the numbers from our states. I live in a county that has a population of 36,000 and 5 deaths have been reported from covid. Can I believe it? Well I know a ton of people and I know no one who has had the virus. I feel safe at home and in my shopping and activities. I think the shutdowns are over-kill and blame that on the liberal governors and the media. I have no proof but it's just my common sense.

 

And what is your scientific basis for laying this "marker?"

All I'm doing is taking Sweden's own reported numbers, infection rate, recovery rate, and death rate and applying it to the ENTIRE population instead of the very small populations that has been infected to date.

If you've something better than math for describing the problem please bring it to the table because viruses don't respect your civil liberties, neither does math.

 

That's FROM the virus.

Try paying attention. Math only scares those who fail to understand it.

 

It doesn't appear a lockdown worked in New York.

 

Yeah....when a man has a.8% alcohol blood level but has the China virus, it is counted as the China virus killed him. Happens all the time. Purveyors of fear. You have better than a 95% chance of surviving China Virus,that is if you get it.

 

I am in much the same boat as you. I resent others projecting their fear on me and my community. This is why I resent them so much trying to inflate a strong central overpowering government!

 

If you had actual proof of that claim you'd post it.

You should stop repeating the lies of your particular echo chamber.

 

Since you've credited "math" as the basis of your prediction of 1.6 million Swedish deaths (out of a population of little more than 10 million), I'm content to keep my methodology secret for now. So are we talking about 1.6 million by the end of the year, or the end of the summer?

 

Secret? You mean like when Trump classified the Covid Team meetings?

Please show where I said the word "predict."

Seems only you are using the phrase. I said "could see upwards of..."

So are math and reading your only shortcomings?

Remember when Trump predicted zero, a few, 20k, 100k? Why don't you go back and ask him about THAT math?

Seems you can't argue the proposition your only argument seems to be whether the US death count may be less than 56 million.

Why push it?
Why push for a higher death rate than we've already experienced?
What do you have to gain by driving the death totals ever higher and higher?

I mean other than reelecting Trump.
Because, as the OP proposes, when those deaths start spiking and we hit 200k by the 4th. Thoise deaths will be on Trump and the Trumpinistas. When the schools reopen in August and there's another spike driving it to over 400k by election day, THOSE deaths will be on Trump and his supporters.

The calculus is wrong.

I could show you where but, let's face it, you guys just can't do the math.

 

I can do math. Show me.

 

Look up

 

You said you could show me the math. I am testing your ability to do math. Either put up or shut up, as they say.

 

But you can’t apply it to the entire population because it’s already proven Covid only seriously effects a very small percentage. If it killed everyone equally the death rate would be consistent. It’s not. It’s isolated to certain ages and health conditions. There are obvious outliers but those are exceptions which can’t be applied to everyone. The outliers also probably had the conditions we know make people susceptible but never knew. It’s science and logic.

 

Too funny. Let me expose it. 6 dead per million per day over a seven day average, or rolling average, same thing... In the US that would mean at most, 6x330x365 which would be less than a million dead over the course of a year. 56 million, pffffft.....

 

At first I thought, "what does this have to do with Trump?" but of course EVERYTHING has to do with Trump when you have TDS!

So setting aside your bizarre Trumpy rants, are you still sticking with this?

"Sweden could see as many as 1.6 million deaths from the Covid virus..."

I was just asking about the time frame of your prediction.

 

LOOK UP.

 

That sir is why we use Per 100k, Per million.

Not everyone will be infected, not everyone infected will get sick, not everyone who gets sick will die.

What is the time frame until full "herd immunity" is achieved?

 

Here's another look at the math.

Sweden has confirmed around 34,000 positive tests.
Of those 4,000 have died.
Assuming a 70% of the population need be infected to achieve "herd immunity"
Then Sweden will need to have a little over 7 million people infected to achieve "herd immunity."
Assuming the death rates remain the same then Sweden could see as many as 823,000 total deaths from covid.

In the US the current death rate is lower about 0.06 but we do more testing and have other sociological differences that impact that but, taking the 70% number and applying it to the US population would give us a death total around 14.7 million.

Is that better?

 

Better mathematics. You confused a few of us with 56M (roughly 17% of our population).

The initial estimates in the U.S. were assuming we did absolutely nothing, similar to Sweden. Those estimates are ingeniously cited often.

Bottomline, too many are needlessly dying. Albeit that shouldn’t come as surprise. We’ve been viewed as expendable for decades most especially our working class. Unfortunately many of us are embracing that value system. I suppose it’s similar to Stockholm Syndrome and it’s also unsightly, on their knees shouting, “I swallow!”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/colo...poisoning-death-classified-coronavirus-report
You only believe what you want to hear.....grow up.