As U.S. Covid19 deaths near 100,000, Trump believes the death count is inflated

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    Inflated or not, I strongly believe Peter Navarro is 100% right;

    Navarro slammed the CDC’s handling of coronavirus testing on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    “Early on in this crisis, the CDC which really had the most trusted brand around the world in this space, really let the country down with the testing. Because not only did they keep the testing within the bureaucracy, they had a bad test. And that did set us back,” Navarro said.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...avarro-is-criticizing-trump-with-shots-at-cdc

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    THEREFORE, according to my belief, Trump was 100% wrong;

    President Donald Trump talks with host Bill Hemmer during a Fox News virtual town hall with members of the coronavirus task force, in the Rose Garden at the White House, Tuesday, March 24, 2020.

    President Donald Trump defended the slow pace of coronavirus testing in the U.S., saying in a Fox News “virtual town hall” on Tuesday that the government “did not screw up” and is now a “model.”

    “We did not screw up and I don’t think CDC screwed up either,” Trump said, again blaming difficulties in fielding a U.S. coronavirus test on a “system” established by his predecessors.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ays-government-screw-virus-testing/111461546/

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    Navarro VERSUS Trump

    Question; Who's right/who's wrong?

    Debate!
     
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    Trump is wrong

    Famously Ted Kennedy had a sign saying “the buck stops here’

    Trump owns this cluster muck up
     
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    A tough question for Trump's supporters due to the fact many among them have blamed the CDC, and I know who they are. Also, back in March, several CDC blaming threads were created, and I know who created them.

    In reference to your response, I agree.
     
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    Trump; “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic

    Fact; On March 11th, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a pandemic.

    Question; Define "Long before"

    a. One week...….Mar 4
    b. Two weeks...…Feb 27
    c. One month......Feb 11
    d. Two months.....Jan 11
    e. Before Jan 11

    Let's assume (d.), two months....

    Question; From Jan 11th to March 11th, who made sure CDC was fully and efficiently prepared to handle a pandemic?

    Trump; NOPE
    Alex Azar; NOPE
    CDC's Chief of Staff; NOPE
    Obama; Certainly not!
     
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    Trump is not alone suggesting the deaths could be inflated due to very broad definitions of what a Covid death is. We have records of deaths blamed on Covid without an actual positive test, just symptoms of Covid which are quite common before someone dies, like shortness of breath, fever or coughs.

    A normal person would be hopeful that maybe deaths are inflated but not a leftist. They want deaths. They gleefully hope for more death because they can ignorantly blame them on Trump, like he is the cause of all of this. Morally bankrupt individuals who put politics over our nation’s prosperity. It’s quite disgusting. We have people here, political leaders and too many in the MSM who are more invested in orange man bad then the livelihood of the country.
     
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    Attention Deficit Disorder?????

    My question is; Who's right/Who's wrong?

    NAVARRO;

    Navarro slammed the CDC’s handling of coronavirus testing on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    “Early on in this crisis, the CDC which really had the most trusted brand around the world in this space, really let the country down with the testing. Because not only did they keep the testing within the bureaucracy, they had a bad test. And that did set us back,” Navarro said


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    TRUMP

    President Donald Trump talks with host Bill Hemmer during a Fox News virtual town hall with members of the coronavirus task force, in the Rose Garden at the White House, Tuesday, March 24, 2020.

    President Donald Trump defended the slow pace of coronavirus testing in the U.S., saying in a Fox News “virtual town hall” on Tuesday that the government “did not screw up” and is now a “model.”

    “We did not screw up and I don’t think CDC screwed up either,” Trump said, again blaming difficulties in fielding a U.S. coronavirus test on a “system” established by his predecessors.
     
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    Answer the question, or stay the **** out of my thread.
     
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    It was Truman (not Kennedy), but I agree that Trump has made mistakes. He doesn't own it entirely - there is no way he could have prevented it taking hold in USA - but when other countries were looking bad, he just looked the other way. It is definitely worse than it needed to be.
     
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    Hospitals get more money for a Cvirus diagnosis.

    That alone innevitably ensured the numbers would be inflated.
     
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    I believe our death toll should be near the same as Canada, thus, between 150 to 200 deaths per 1M pop, and the main reason why we've surpassed them by 1 Covid19 doubling time is due to early testing, and early contact tracing **** ups.

    Who should we blame? The CDC of course, however, who made sure the CDC was fully and efficiently prepared to handle a pandemic?

    Basically, a leadership question, and we all know Trump and his top officials all assumed CDC was fully and efficiently prepared.
     
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    This thread is not about inflated and/or undercounted numbers.....My opening post clearly states the following question;

    Who's right/Who's wrong?

    Navarro or Trump

    Try again.
     
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    Headline, man hit by train dies of COVID-19.
     
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    It's not a leadership problem when a government agency reports all is well when internally they know all is not so well at all. The President does not run the various agencies all he can do is go by what they report and if that is proven to be false he can then remove the person running the agency and replace him with hopefully someone more competent.

    One if the big problems with the CDC is they long ago morphed from their core mission into a number of non-core programs, many of which are duplicates of programs already run by other government agencies.
     
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    The same applies to respirators, they get paid one price by medicaid or medicare for treating a person for COVID-19 and a much higher price if they put the person on a respirator, even though it has been discovered respirators can kill someone with the COVID-19 virus. They can breathe unassisted, but due to the virus their lungs cannot transfer enough oxygen into the blood stream. The correct solution is to put them on a higher level of oxygen and treat the lung problem, not a machine that forces them to breathe.
     
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    I will partially agree with you as Trump/POTUS certainly don't know what's on every employee's desk so to speak. Had POTUS been a Democrat, most likely, the same CDC **** ups would have occurred.

    Again, I agree 100% with Navarro......The CDC's **** ups unintentionally and significantly inflated our death toll.





    Well, Trump certainly didn't don't w
     
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    What makes you think a gov bureaucracy is ever prepared to handle anything?
     
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    Good point.

    Early January, the province of British Columbia completely by-passed their National pandemic bureaucracy, and BC's Center of Disease Control developed their own test kits, (no flaws/no delays), thus, they didn't have to wait for the WHO kits.

    BC was also the first Canadian province to implement Airport screening measures. Again, they didn't wait for national instructions, and/or a green light from Uncle Truedeau.
     
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    Normal people want the covid deaths counted correctly, to reflect reality. Trump fans want covid deaths undercounted for political gain, to ensure the Trump election success. They love their alternative facts. Those are propaganda tactics Russia or China would use, not the US.
     
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    In reference to what______ inflated our death toll....

    Has anyone read NY's/NJ's Airport's monthly traffic report, FEB 2020?

    Well, I did!

    Unbelievable!......over 2 million UNSCREENED Transatlantic revenue passengers, and during the same time period, over 6 million UNSCREENED domestic revenue passengers, mostly from New York.

    Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Airport Traffic ...
    https://www.panynj.gov/airports/en/statistics-general-info.html

    Remember this;

    Florida governor orders all incoming New Yorkers to self ...
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/florida-governor-orders-all-incoming-new-yorkers-to-self...
    2020-03-23 · The Florida governor said he spoke with President Trump Sunday night about the influx of New Yorkers, but had not yet received any federal help curtailing the flights. New Yorkers who fly to...
     
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    Over 50% of Canada and most European nation's death toll relates to nursing homes, and in the U.S., just 1/3rd of our death toll relates to nursing homes, thus, we must be doing "something right"....in quotation.

    Sweden.….over 80%.
     
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    Actually, the death count is probably lower than it really is.
    Medical experts far more knowledgeable that you or I have repeatedly said that during the early days of this pandemic and to some extent even now, people died under suspicious conditions that are now believed to have been COVID deaths. FOR EXAMPLE, the rate of heart attack deaths suddenly leaped by nearly 50% among the 25 to 50 age group, many of whom had no concerning underlying conditions. Weeks later it was found that COVID-19 often causes blood to clot in veins and arteries, causing heart attacks and strokes. They believe the sudden increase in heart attack and stroke deaths is largely attributable to COVID.
     
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    After the election, one or several entities will publish a "GENERALLY ACCEPTED" report.
     
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    If you want accurate numbers why wouldn’t you want deaths with no corresponding Covid test to be counted? That wouldn’t be accurate. If you wanted reality, you would actually admit investigations are quite valid. But you’re blinded by TDS and your reality is the one the MSM paints for you. Congrats being mindlessly partisan. I’m continuously amazed the party of so called science wants it ignored as long as it fits their narrative.
     
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    They are both correct, but the real blame falls at the feet of career bureaucrats of local and state health departments that failed to quarantine individuals arriving to the U.S. from a known area experiencing a new and highly contagious virus. That is their job, they didn't need to be directed.
     
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    Can we get real here? Whether the CDC had let's say approximately 1.5 billion to them, and then 1.1 in the new budget, would .4 really make a difference? No, not at all. I agree with Obama on what he said about teachers unions, and I'm going to repeat it now: Throwing money at the problem, isn't going to fix ****.

    The CDC failed due to a logistics failure. Money cannot fix the human error that is someone not coding it properly, or not putting the right techological pieces together or whatever the case was. It was logistical. Paying more money to a chef doesn't make them a better cook, getting them better instruction(or better yet, hiring a better chef) is what makes them a better cook.
     
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