Biden struggles badly during "virtual roundtable" as gaffes continue to pile up

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  1. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ China hoarding FDA approved/inspected personal protection supplies , bribing WHO to misrepresent the facts , sending defective supplies to infected countries , blaming the U.S. Army for the virus , not allowing inspection of the Wuhan laboratory , silencing of medical staff , destruction of evidence , misrepresentation of total deaths are all facts that China is an evil empire and suppress the truth.
    People in China and those visiting other countries cannot and will not speak against the government of China for fear of retribution to themselves as well as their family members living in China.
     
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    Most of those "facts" are the deranged ravings of conspiracy hucksters. People speak out against the government in China all the time. Again, I know, because I lived there. People in my classes and outside my classes criticized the government frequently. Is public protest allow? Absolutely not. Is publishing those criticisms in the newspaper allowed? Absolutely not. However, China is an authoritarian country, NOT a totalitarian one. People's daily lived experience aren't significantly controlled in China, they regularly speak out against the government in their daily life.
     
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    ~ Sounds like the U.S. news media. :blankstare:
     
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    .....or your irresponsible defense of CHINA!
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    The radical left, that has to be explained? And AOC doesn't want a Scandanavian she wants a economic socialism. Scandanavia is a thriving capitalistic economy.
     
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    Why would you EVER have worked for such a government knowing the oppression they force on their citizens denying them basic freedoms and liberty and doing everything they can to attack Americans, American business and the American government?

    Money talks?
     
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    You understand that not knowing what you are talking about, but asserting things with confidence, doesn't make them true!! AOC is a social democrat, same as the ruling party of Sweden. She is a new deal democrat. Any suggestions otherwise show a complete lack of understanding of her politics.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Oh, I don't know that of which I speak therefore that refutes what I said? That's it? Can you show me her capitalistic policies? What would you call her support of Modern Monetary Policy as economic policy?
     
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    MMT has literally nothing to do with socialism. It is a heterdox set of economic ideas about monetary policy. It basically says that Milton was wrong and inflation isn't always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon. In fact, we are able to "print" large amounts of money with almost no risk of inflation. They are gaining more traction recently, because their ideas about inflation are supported by reality. We "printed" somewhere north of 10 trillion dollars worldwide since 2008 and there has been no inflation anywhere in the system. So MMT proponents believe we should stop worrying about spending too much causing inflation and we should "print" whatever money we need to pay for what we need. We would then use taxes, not as our means of paying for everything, but as our lever for controlling inflation. So if inflation is going up, we raise taxes. If there is a threat of deflation, we cut taxes. Now, I personally don't buy their story completely. In particular, the last part seems pie in the sky. Raising taxes is a difficult political choice. Having to navigate the political firestorm that results when we try to raise taxes, every time there is rising inflation, seems extraordinarily unrealistic to me. However, what I can say for sure, is that it has nothing to do with communism. Communism already has its own economic ideology. It is called marxist and neo-marxist economics.
     
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    Oh it's in that direction, the move to socialism will be incremental as government takes control of the economy through taxation and policy.

    So what are her capitalistic policies?
     
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    Right wingers have been making that argument for decades now. Hayek very famously wrote a whole book about it, claiming that our social welfare policies were actually "a road to serfdom." In reality, those kinds of policies have NEVER led to a Soviet style planned economy. The only instances where we have achieved those kinds of outcomes have come in revolutionary circumstances. The UUSR, Maoists China, NK, Cambodia, Vietnam, Cuba, and every other socialist planned economy in human history were instituted in the aftermath of revolution. The slippery slope to tyrannical socialism doesn't seem to exist.
     
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    And?..............

    So what are AOC's capitalistic policies?
     
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    ~ This is Joe's recent interview that is praised by some as being "excellent" :
     
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    I’m not understanding this tactic. If the opposing candidate didn’t come off as the drunk guy at the end of bar it might make some sense.
     

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