‘Why why why?!’ Trump fans melt down after Bill Barr says he doesn’t expect Obama will face criminal

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  1. Heartburn

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    I try to look at what is happening and not what someone tells me is happening. There is not one news agency or government organization that I trust today to do anything beyond serving their own interests.

    Yours??
     
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    I would be paying "twice as much" only if Medicare could be secured for about $112 or $113 per month. And just where you got that figure, I have no idea.

    Besides, my late wife left this BC/BS insurance to me, as part of her annuity; so I pay nothing--not one thin dime--for it, in out-of-pocket expenses. (I could not change the annuity, so that I would receive more money each month, but without the healthcare insurance, even if I wanted to. But I truly do not want to do so. I live a rather comfortable life--as I mentioned earlier, I do not live, even in part, on my Social Security. It is deposited into my savings account. And I take an additional $500 or $1,000, most months, and move that into savings also.)

    For 2020, the "doughnut hole" in Medicare extends from $4,020 in out-of-pocket expenses for covered drugs, to $6,350--some $2,330.

    Oh, and my wife (who has Medicare) often appears astonished at how little (sometimes it is even less than $1.00, for a 90-day supply) that I pay for prescription drugs!
     
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    Any attempts at closing the donut hole have always been opposed by the gop. Just they passed the law prohibiting lower drug prices by negotiating. We pay the highest drug prices IN THE WORLD because of the gop.
     
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    The situation you describe is unusual which is causing some skepticism.
     
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    Wasn't it W that gave us part D? That is the difference between tuna fish and cat food for a lot of older people. There are a lot of problems with the system right now but when given the opportunity to make worthwhile changes to it the DNC under Obama gave us this mess we have today. This isn't really a DNC or GOP problem it is an American problem and it will cost the hell out of us to really fix it and high political risk for those who actually act. Problem is politicians like their jobs a lot and are risk averse. You're right that we pay too much and the fix is to let Medicare negotiate but Big Pharma has deep pockets and they hold a lot of politicians from both parties.
     
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    I am not quite sure that you know the difference between a percentage difference and a percentage-point difference.

    From 85 percent to a mere 80 percent is, indeed, a five percentage-point difference.

    But an increase in coinsurance from 15 percent to 20 percent, on the the other hand, is a 33 1/3 percent difference.

    Is that entirely understandable to you?
     
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    Non-responsive. (Just Republican bashing.)
     
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    It’s not bashing when it’s fact. It’s called whining. It’s a decades old Gop trick. Of course you’re non responsive. It’s typically true and you have nothing to say.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/474294-house-passes-sweeping-pelosi-bill-to-lower-drug-prices

    Every attempt to lower prices, nixed by GOP and their donors. This is most recent.
    Your party just sticks it to you. They luv you paying higher prices
     
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    I’m not sure you can read the last post.
     
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    The premium is $144.60/mo.

    https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/2020-medicare-parts-b-premiums-and-deductibles
     
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    All the phony scandals you know about our fine public servants. The whole deep State gobbledygook all discredited never retracted garbage propaganda. Remember innocent until proven guilty for crying out loud.... No scandal no conspiracy except the fox Rush Limbaugh garbage propaganda one obviously....
     
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    Sounds more like Medicaid than Medicare....
     
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    You think Obamacare is a mess ? What has the GOP done for two years with full control ? Compared to what we had before when 90% of those who lost their job during the Bush recession, also lost their employer based healthcare. OC was an emergency move to give them affordable healthcare.

    What was the gop response. NOTHING. Their plan had always been, don’t get sick. If you do, die early. Millions more are insured then before under ,only “the rich get coverage plan”. So, you’re against preexisting conditions exceptions ? Cause that’s what Trump is trying to push through NOW. Don’t talk HC. The gop are losers.

    Btw, Trump and the gop have been in control for two years and 2/3 the last.
    What have they done. Any mess you want to whine about , is their baby.

    You guys are funny. YOU HAD FULL CONTROL FOR TWO YEARS and all you managed to do was up the cost.
     
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    You’re not reading the reference post I gave you. It’s based upon your previous contributions and your total income. Obviously, something is shakey in the claims. Read the reference. It can go from ZERO to over $400. The higher end is buying in with no previous contributions. I know I’m right. You can’t claim to be poor, have full SS benefits and have to pay as much as you claim for Medicare. It is HALF of what you are paying now.

    Geesus, just the supplement from BCBS costs twice for the remaining 20% then the monthly charge for Medicare. The drug prices come from the donut hole. You shifted the argument to the donut hole when you saw I was right about the monthly premeim. The donut hole is another issue, which the dem controlled house has tried to fix when in power. THE GOP REFUSES TO TAKE IT UP !

    It’s their pet contributions to the drug companies.
     
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    Exactly. The entire part of any projected increase is related to the anticipate rise in drug prices.

    The house has presently passed a remedy along party lines.
    The GOP in the house nor the senate has made no effort to fix it. They are happy with those on Govt funded insurance paying the highest price for drugs then any where in the world.

    The gop recommends that those 40 million who lost their jobs and employer based HC, do what ? Yes, the uninsured should sign up for Obamacare . That’s a joke. They are presently trying to defeat a plan while telling their own people to sign up for it. . Th GOP Hypocrites who have nothing to offer.
     
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    I think you may be chewing the wrong leg off.
     
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    I read it quite well.

    Apparently, you did not read mine so well
     
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    You will not stay on topic. And even when I point out that a 90-day supply of a prescription medication often costs me less that $1.00, you continue to insist that I must simply love to pay "higher prices."

    But since you obviously cannot stay on topic--you simply want to roam around, and get in your talking points (even if they are entirely nonsensical)--I will say goodbye to you (as I do to all trolls).

    Good day, sir.
     
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    You are babbling about Drug prices right ? They are higher for government programs because of the GOP. Own it. The Dems have been trying to correct the problem, but dufus Moscow Mitch and Trump, Putin’s butt boy, will have no part if it.
     
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    Ah, yes.it was their budget from Reagan to Bush. The GOP two years ago passed a trillion dollar deficit bill. We get to see in real-time how that effects the economy. When your batting average is 10-11, I guess you could say they suck.
     
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    Republicans Whine and complain about published facts.
     
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    Because one is primary and the other is secondary and without Medicare part D a lot of seniors would be (once again) faced with drug costs they couldn't afford. Your situation is strange if you are 65 or older. I also had BCBS from my employer, still do, but when I reached 65 I had to go on Medicare as primary. No one should call you a liar about it because there could be something different about your arrangement but it is not something available to everybody.
     
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    Depends on who's publishing what facts.
     
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    I have both.

    When you consider one of the most common ways to wind up in bankruptcy court is medical bills, a little redundancy can be a wonderful thing.
     
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