What have you got to lose? I will tell you, your life.

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    LOL Keep running away.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes because requiring hospitalization is the same thing in all cases.

    Any "study" that leaves out the condition of the patient at admittance isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

    Any "study" that fails to take that condition into account when medication is prescribed to determine it's effectiveness isn't a study.

    Any "study" that fails to show the criteria used in the decision making process on if and when to administer such drugs isn't a study either.
     
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    To be honest it does not matter what you, i or large numbers of TWONKS think as it will be the doctors doing the prescribing you need to convince and this is a group who put a lot of faith in publications like the Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, BMJ and others. None of these publications are supporting widespread use of hydroxychloroquine.
     
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    Nope!
     
  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Odd that you reached the same conclusion about the French doctor who DID NOT USE zinc
     
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    Like the one's in the US who prescribed 5.5 million doses of it last year, it's approval in 1955, and it's being on the WHO's list of Essential Medicines.
     
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    Says the guy who still doesn't get why patients who were prescribed any of the drugs for treatment had at least twice the death rate of the group who was prescribed none of the medications.
     
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    None of the patients were on ventilators in the first two days, you know, the final stages. Every patient would be having breathing problems on admittance. Patients in each group had similar underlying conditions as patients in the other 4 groups.

    Once again, the numbers that matter:
    Percentage death rates:
    16.43% for "Chloroquine alone"
    22.1749% for "Chloroquine with macrolide"
    18% for "Hydroxychloroquine alone"
    23.77% for "Hydroxychloroquine with macrolide"
    9.3% for NO Hydroxychloroquine OR Chloroquine
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Because the drug killed them
     
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    Like I said, you still don't get it.

    That's one heck of a scoop you've dug up though. The FDA has allowed a drug that is known to kill sick people to be on the market since 1955.
     
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    Yep, the drug killed them:
    "Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19."

    None of the patients were on ventilators in the first two days of admittance during which any of the drug regimens would be given,. Every patient would be having breathing problems on admittance. Patients in each group had similar underlying conditions as patients in the other 4 groups.
     
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    Really.

    Please point to the area in your study that outlines the decision making process in only prescribing these drugs to 15k of the 90k who presented with, as you say, the same condition.

    You'll note that the data they pulled was not from other studies, it was just records from other countries on how they treated their patients in a non-study environment.
     
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    Ask the doctors in the 671 hospitals, 63000 of the patients were in the US so you can start there.
     
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    There's another big problem: Nobody was given zinc in their cocktail.

    Missed your post above, sorry. I see that you also did a lot of reading for nothing to find nothing of zinc.
     
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    No one was given zinc in the French doctor's trial either that Trump and his supporters pointed to as evidence of the greatness of hydroxychloroquine
     
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    What French doctor is that?
     
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    I know everything I need to know about hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc with regard to the treatment and prophylactic applications of these medications individually and in combination.
     
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    So what ???
     
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    Didier Raoult’s results are part of the basis of my conclusions concerning hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc individually and in combination.
     
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    Then you know, that we need to substitute Hydro, for another more benign, ZINC IONOPHORE. That would let more zinc inside the cell. Which it rejects, unless a zinc ionophore is introduced.

    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/combating-covid-19-with-zinc-and-quercetin/

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?...608016890363383226&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0
     
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    I got a pop up from the weather channel on my phone. They said a study done in Canada. said cannabis helps prevent COVID 19. Since they can't post anything on the internet that isn't true maybe we should all score some pot. At least people would sleep better. But seriously.... wash hands .... keep your distance .... and stop touching everything in public places. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
     
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    They can both be dangerous is misused.
     
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    You mean the conclusion that his results were faked as he didn't use zinc?
     
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    That’s funny. ^^^^
     

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