Venezuelan military to escort Iranian oil tankers

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  1. jay runner

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    If the tankers make it to the Atlantic they'll make it the rest of the way without the slightest problem.
     
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    double post
     
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    It's called surveillance. We have satellites that can read a car license plate from space.
     
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    Satellites do not see through metal .. ??
     
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    You mean. Donald has no power over the free global trade of oil and acts like a little child.
     
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    And than Iran would sink oil tankers passing by the straight of Homerus as RIGHTFUL tit for tat.
     
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    What makes you think they could?
     
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    Nothing wrong with any of those.
     
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    There is only nothing wrong with those if you do not believe in International law and have no conscience over assassinations and being responsible for the death of civilians. Looks like we are back to Third Reich days. The UN and international Law were set up to stop us going there again.
     
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    I thought Venezuela's military was in shambles. They could scarcely afford a navy.

    Another irony is that Venezuela's economy is/was primarily focused on and heavily reliant on oil exports, and yet now they are starved for fuel and have to import it.

    The fact that this country is having to import fuel shows how much in shambles the country's economy actually is.
    No doubt the country is going to run out of money soon and will not be able to continue importing.
    I mean, of course you can't take an economy that is totally reliant on exporting oil, and then not export oil and have to import it.
     
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    from what I've read, aircraft carriers would be nearly obsolete in any large scale war between two big powers.
    They are just too easy to sink, big slow moving targets.

    (Now, to be fair, Iran is more of a "medium power", so the reality might be more obfuscated and mixed)
     
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    And then America would be forced to blow up all their tits and tats.
     
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    No. The United Nations was set up to prevent another World War. All else is simply gravy.

    But if you are addressing me I do not believe in international law and I'm all for the U.S. assassinating foreign hostiles. It sure beats going to war or imposing sanctions on them which inevitably kills civilians.
     
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    Their little brothers are more of a problem. You're dead before you can find them.
     
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    Forced? No they won't. The US can not claim a tit for that, if the US acted like ISIS by blowing up non military ships for no reason first.
     
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    You've read the wrong stuff. Considering U.S. supercarriers have a proven ability to not be permanently disabled despite thousands of lbs. of munitions exploding on their decks.

    During the Vietnam War the Enterprise had 9 500 lb. bombs detonate aboard (equivalent to being hit by two of the largest anti ship missiles known today) and despite the fire and damage was able to return to action in days.
     
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    Because they already blew a drone out of the sky.
     
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    You're comparing shooting down a drone to sinking 100,000 ton tankers(or larger)? the weapons they used to kill the drone would barely even make a tanker shake a little.
     
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    Yeah... a slow moving tanker with highly flammable liquid would indeed be much harder to sink than knocking out a flying drone.
    whatever.
     
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    Not just to prevent another world war. To prevent war in general. And if the US starts out with blowing up civilian vessels for no lawful reason,... than we got ourselves a state run terrorist campaign unleashed against a peaceful nation. And if you're up for assassinations, than you're also up to be assassinated in an all is fair deal. It's not as if you can just pick international law when you want it, to than never mind it when it suits you.
     
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    Once again, unsupported assertions that run counter to what even the US military's own war games and assessments regarding the vulnerability of its aircraft carriers in case of any war with Iran. And you post this knowing better, as I have already informed you about the issue elsewhere.

    This is from one such war game in 2009:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/i-fought-a-war-against-iran-and-it-ended-badly/
    I Fought A War Against Iran—And It Ended Badly
    This is from the most recent article in the subject trying to argue in favor of the deterrent value of aircraft carrier, which nonetheless admits that they are vulnerable in war with Iran:
    https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/k...-still-deterred-by-american-aircraft-carriers
    Op-Ed: Yes, Iran is still deterred by American aircraft carriers
    And we have the comments of the commander of the USS Abraham Lincoln itself, explaining why he prefers to keep his vessel so far from Iran even though it was supposed to be sent to the 'region' to send a message to Iran.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/us/politics/warship-iran.html
     
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    That's a pretty distorted view of the situation. Blockade runners are not innocent civilian vessels so the real question is whether or not there is actually a blockade in place. I think not, so what we have here is a lot of fluff and bluster.
     
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    What Iran has demonstrated, "experts" (mainly those who are clueless about Iran and are more experts about other countries like China and Russia) 'assume' bigger problems would be able to do as well. It is an assumptions, more grounded in fact when it comes to China's capabilities on this issue, than Russia's. But even China's capabilities aren't as much a demonstrated fact as those from Iran. Even though, like against Iran, the US military has lost every war game simulating a war with China as well.
    https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/wha...n-bases-tell-us-about-chinas-missile-program/
    What Iran’s Attacks on American Bases Tell Us About China’s Missile Program
    For American strategic planners the false belief that Chinese missiles are numerous, but inaccurate, is likely over.
     
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    And you've been proven utterly wrong. Repeatedly.
     

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