Venezuelan military to escort Iranian oil tankers

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  1. Thingamabob

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    That depends upon the nation conducting the "game". The U.S. is ALWAYS more intent upon winning a "game" more than learning anything from it.
     
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    In the famous war game of its kind, the Millennium Challenge 2002, the US even replaced the general winning the war game with someone who would lose.
     
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    Well, that sums it up.
     
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    America's war games are set up for the US to lose. Why don't you know this already?
     
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    To block both the inbound and outbound lanes of the Straits of Hormuz the Iranians would have to sink 30 supertankers next to each other.

    Given how extremely difficult supertankers are to sink in the first place (that was proven during the Tanker War) that is one hell of a tall order.
     
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    You do know I would hope that the Chinese Army controls and profits from vast business interests in China.

    One thing you've got to credit the U.S. with, out military has no control over any private business or industry. Much less profit from them.
     
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    citation needed.
     
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    You don't have to sink 30 tankers to block the straits ? You don't even have to sink one .. just damaging one is enough coupled with the threat of more damage to any who would transit through the straits.

    It is not that Iran could not sink 30 tankers - they could easily do so - but why would they ? It is completely unnecessary and would create an environmental catastrophe.

    You need to think more about what you are saying sometimes. ... especially after going around telling others "And you've been proven utterly wrong. Repeatedly." - followed by nothing to substantiate or qualify your claim - and IM was correct and you are wrong.

    Further - you have had your backside handed to you many times on topics related to missiles - and it is you who have been proven wrong - or just silly like above - repeatedly.
     
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    Iran damaged several tankers in the Straits during the Tanker War with Iraq. Tanker traffic thru the Straits never stopped. Insurance rates went up but that was about it.

    Try reading a little history now and then.
     
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    Just because you believe the idiocy posted by Iran Monitor that she spouts in order to make her beloved country look stronger than it is then that is up to you. The rest of us are more skeptical
     
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    The Iraq War ? LOL - Iran didn't have anti ship cruse missiles then - and there was no threat to tankers from other nations - as in they were not trying to block the Straits for any but Iraq.

    Your analogy is preposterous nonsense.
     
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    No idea what idiocy you are referring to - What is idiocy is the claim that Iran could not block the Straits - is that the claim you are referring to ?
     
  13. Dayton3

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    That's one. Plus all that crap about the supposed accuracy of Iranian missiles, which if true would mean they are more accurate than any missiles in the world. American, Chinese or Russia. Don't you find that a bit hard to believe?
    Anti ship cruise missiles are a joke against supertankers
     
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    I remember the first Iraq war, we were told the Iraq Elite Republican Guard was a force to be reckoned with (by OUR media). I was a bit concerned as I was in the military at the time. Then our media reported that Saddam said this was going to be "The Mother of all wars" and my level of concern was doubled. We all know what happened, we CRUSHED the "ELITE" republican guard in what? 30 days? Fake news was alive and well then and we know how fake it is now. I am not in the least worried about Iran's "ELITE" whatever they are called.
     
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    You are talking complete nonsense. Are you seriously trying to claim that US, Chinese, Russian cruise missile technology can not hit an oil tanker - 20 miles away ?

    You are hopelessly lost - once again.
     
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    The 'accuracy' of Iran's missiles are no longer a question, as they have been demonstrated in several attacks in actual military conflicts. Including, but not limited to, the attack against the Al Assad air base. What you need to work on are your 'assumptions' about Iran. Besides, you may also need to revisit your assumptions about the accuracy of Chinese missiles as well, although that has not been proven in the same way.
     
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    how did the attack on the Al Assad air base prove anything? You know how large an air base is? It is basically an airport. What makes you think hitting a target that size indicates anything good about the accuracy of Iranian missiles?
     
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    Hit it. Easily. But large tankers are notoriously difficult to damage, much less sink. A cruise missile with a warhead ranging from a few hundred pounds to (at most) about 2,000 lbs. simply cannot do much damage to a 100,000 ton vessel (or several times larger).

    Obviously you have never studied this issue. Try reading. Start with Hooked on Phonics.
     
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    Those who studied the attacks, including experts who had previously doubted the accuracy of Iranian missiles, understood what 6 direct hits on aircraft hangers meant. They know how to calculate missile accuracy and CEP from that attack. Of course, Iran had already demonstrated the CEP of its missiles in other attacks. For instance, it used ballistic missiles to take out the headquarters of a Kurdish opposition groups in Iraq, hitting it right smack from hundreds of miles away. And there is more, including live drills monitored closely by the US, where Iranian ballistic missiles hit naval targets at sea..
     
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    Iran has done what it needs to do to serve notice of its capabilities to all the skeptics that matter. Namely, those in the US military. But in case the lessons haven't been registered sufficiently, I suspect there might be more occasions to drive home the points with more clarity still.
     
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    1) How do you know the Iranian missiles were even targeted on the hangars? You don't.
    2) CEP and accuracy are NOT the same thing.
    3) This is the same Iran that once photoshopped an extra missile being launched in exercises?
     
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    What is going to be your excuse when the U.S. finally reduces the Iranian military to wreckage at little cost to ourselves?

    Surely you'll have excuses ready. Probably blame the Israelis'.
     
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    Instead of relying on some hypothetical fantasy, what is your excuse for the US blinking each time it had the chance to try what you mention. Each time it made these threats explicitly (and worse), and then took on the chin?
     
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    Because, mathematically, you don't end up hitting 6 hangers like that by accident or coincidence.
    Those who are the experts, have now calculated the CEP of Iranian missiles based on their use in the conflict I mentioned. The CEP is under 10 meters (according to Iran 8.5 meters to be precise) and that has been confirmed now.
    You don't know how badly you have been fooled by attempts to discredit what Iran does, through a persistent propaganda campaign that apparently turned your mind into mush. Otherwise, the issue is not what some young photo editor for some Iranian website did in one instance many years ago, or any other such thing, but things the US knows because it has observed them through its own reconnaissance and other assets. The drills in the Persian Gulf take place very close to American assets and they are watched very closely by the US. The drills I am alluding to, showing Iran's ballistic missiles hitting naval targets at sea, have bee publicly confirmed by US intelligence.

    Not that the issue is about drills only. These missiles have been used to take out individual groups hiding in relatively small buildings. Including the father of this fellow:
    https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/iran-missile-strike-kurdistan/
     
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