Europe is abandoning Trump on the world stage as it turns away from the US toward China

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are projecting your issues on to others. I have not been the one engaging in name calling and Ad Hom fallacy because I have no argument.

    You have not debunked anything ... nor answered the question. You have not addressed the differences between how the world reacted to Reagan's move - and how it has reacted to Trumps blunder.
     
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    Obviously you did not read the link I provided you and really I didn't expect you to. You are simply a tool for me to use and you provide an opportunity to get this information out to those who have a mind willing and capable of processing new knowledge. You have served your purpose here admirably behaving like a puppet on my string so I'll put you back in your box for a while. Thanks for your participation and have a nice day.:)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is not up to me to read the entirety of a lengthy report - on some wild goose hunt. It is up to you to quote from your source - information that backs supports your claim.

    I agreed that there were similarities - what you have not done is addresses the differences. Such as the reaction of the world to Trump's move. If this is discussed in your article .. then post something or at least reference your source properly - give at least the page number :)

    I would happily process new knowledge (hence why I agreed with some of the similarities) -but you have not offered anything at all - nevermind anything new - with respect to comment on the reaction of the world to Trumps move.

    So you are projecting - your issues on to others.

    As per usual - after failing to address the issue at hand - you engage in name calling - demonization of the other - and other Ad Hom attacks. It is like every second post for you - your modus operandi

    Then you go running from the playground - name calling as you go - to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial
    Your so easy - you need to up your game mate ..:rock_slayer::rock_slayer:
     
  4. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for proving my point by example. You are the reason we deserve Trump.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    We don't deserve Trump any more than any nation deserves any tyrant. Trumpers are a vociferous minority who appear much larger than they are by being loud. They gained power by a statistical fluke. They will be losing it very soon and I think we will then take countermeasures against their ever gaining power again since they have used it so badly.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Painting a group of people with a broad stroke, calling them Trumpers, is the same thing racists do. If you oppose Trump having excessive power, you are my friend. You just have to oppose abuse of power when you agree with what they are claiming its for. If you support gun control, higher taxes for the wealthy, or Obamacare, just remember that the power you cheer for will end up is the hands of someone like Trump.
     
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    Then you have to take care as to who you give power to.

    Trumpers are determined by what they do, not who they are.
     
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    Personally, I believe government power should be reduced to an absolute minimum. They continue to gain more power as Americans fight among each other.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I believe we should strive to have good government, rather than just small or large government. Dogma is for Bishops.
     
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    That is not possible. Even if we can get a good government, the power we give them remains in place when someone like Trump takes over.
     
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    Small government is a big step towards good government.
     
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    Well, Trump's called you on your defense free-loading. As for the idea that "the world" is turning away from US and toward Lying Outlaw China, it's just wish-casting.

    Take Sweden, no dummies.

    A USAF B1-B flies over Sweden accompanied by four Swedish Armed Forces JAS 39 Gripen fighters. The bomber was flying a long-range, long-duration Bomber Task Force mission. Since the Kremlin’s Crimea invasion and annexation, Swedish forces have openly participated in several multilateral NATO military exercises and in bilateral military exercises with the U.S. and other Western nations.

    [​IMG]
    When you say "The World" it's too imprecise to be falsified, and a statement too imprecise to be falsified, is also too imprecise to be regarded as true. So there's that.
     
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  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I think government should be the smallest it can while still getting the job done properly, but that's just efficiency.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    That is a very dangeous attitude. We don't give them power, we prevent them from taking it and you have to watch them all the time to keep that prevention in place. You need to reread Hobbes.
     
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    More than efficiency. It's about government not growing like a cancer that eventually kills the host organism.
     
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    Typical globalist.....always using the argument "let's do what everyone else does" to go along as a "collective". Principles out the window.

    First of all, I believe you promote what you want to believe, only. Australia and Germany have taken stronger stances than the U.S. on China. They know where and why the "CHINA VIRUS" originated. Most Democrats will side with China no matter what.
     
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    People come to the U.S. from those countries because they like our advantages. Lead and they will follow. It has always been the case with the US. If we want to turn into a "following State", there will be many Soros types that want to lead. The U.S. and Donald Trump Stands in their way for sure.
     
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    They gained power by the Electoral College. Don't like it? WAnt to adopt the Constitution of another country? Go there! We don't need cry babies here.
     
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    Trump is the only one who stands up to China....I don't know what you are talking about. He i the only one that also stands against Open Borders. He is a blessing we have not had.
     
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    Where have you been for 30 yrs?
    We were the leaders in globalism. The world is economically all about globalism.
    It is not going back to isolationism. The world is shrinking. Technology shrinks is daily.

    Lead, as we were doing, follow as we will be doing, or sit it out.
    But globalism is not going away.
     
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    "Europe is abandoning...." Europe who?
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No, I want to make minor changes to this one, a process which the Founding Fathers were careful to allow for. The only reason Trumpers like the EC is because it gave them Trump, if he should lose on the basis of it in the next election Trumpers will be in the streets and you know it.
     
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    Globalism reached it's high point when we outsourced our manufacturing. Sorry....we're taking it back. Your dream is shattered!
    Yes, we were leaders in a sense by selling out. That never lasts too long.
     
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    Yes, if we lose it will take an awful lot to ever get the country back. Who knows who would be directing "Dimentia Joe"? Probably Soros influenced globalists. Thing is, we won't lose. We won't be ruled by New York and L.A.
    After this China virus is arrested, we'll compare economies with red vrs. blue. It will be apparent to everyone. This crisis will not be turned into Coup III.
     
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    Dairy Air.....my Father and Uncle were the owners and leaders in a small engine component firm 30 years ago. My Father saw the writing on the wall. Those WWII veterans knew what they were talking about. They are gone now but here is the prophecy.....
    "America is selling out it's industry to other Nations. The goal is to make us equal to other nations and build up 3rd world countries so they will all be ripe for a strong central power.." They were right. Manufacturing is gone from my small, once thriving midwestern town. The "japs" own a few assembly plants there, but meth is more common than manufacturing. Will it be disappointing to you if manufacturing and industry returns back to America? Only a business man knows how to do that. A lifelong politician with dementia has NO IDEA!
     

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