I humbly submit this article to fans of Trump for their consideration.

Being a Republican now requires believing in a jaw-dropping series of claims that, if true, would almost necessitate anti-democratic revanchism. One has to believe that a cabal of evil scientists is making up climate science in exchange for grant money; that there is rampant, widescale voter impersonation fraud carried out by thousands of elections officials nationwide; that the “Deep State” concocted a scheme to frame Trump for Russian collusion but chose not to use it before the 2016 election; that shadowy forces are driving migrant caravans and diseases across American borders in the service of destroying white Republican America; that the entire news media is engaged in a conspiracy against the Republican Party; that grieving victims of gun violence and their families all across America want to take away guns as a pretext for stomping the boot of “liberal fascism” on conservative faces; and so on. That and much more is just the vanilla Republican belief system at this point (not even touching less explosive academic fictions like “tax cuts pay for themselves” or “the poor will work harder to better themselves if you cut the safety net.”)

We Need to Speak Honestly About the GOP’s Evolution Into a Conspiracy Cult
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/...ut-the-gops-evolution-into-a-conspiracy-cult/

I welcome the thoughts of all learned supporters of the POTUS and his party in order to engage in the kind of courteous discussion I know we can have. I'm quite sure this will result in you providing factual refutation to the points made in the article. One I'm confident you will all read from beginning to end to gain an appreciation for the author's perspective.

I look forward to an informed debate.

 

Being a republican does not require any of that. We believe different things.

Not when you start out with that.

 

Like most of your threads, the article is demeaning and insulting towards Republicans. lets look at some excepts from this AMAZING and INFORMATIVE article.

Almost half of Fox News viewers–the core of the GOP–believe that Bill Gates is using the COVID-19 pandemic to microchip them.

I don't know ONE single republican that believes this.

And Donald Trump has been promoting a series of conspiracy theories on twitter each more outlandish than the last, from old debunked accusations against cable news hosts he dislikes to concocted accusations against former president Barack Obama.

You guys tried to say Trump was a Russian spy so what's the problem with the above??

One has to believe that a cabal of evil scientists is making up climate science in exchange for grant money

That's the ONLY thing in that crappy article that has some truth to it. Sadly, many republicans are ignorant on the climate change matter

As for my latest "Conspiracy Theory", the truth about the Russia HOAX is coming out and its got you really scrambling to find negatives about republicans, hence posting this crappy, OPINIONATED article and trying to pretend its factual.

 

So, a poll with supposed "GOP supporters" are claiming to believe in conspiracy theories, and that makes the right a "cult"? So what do you call the left when their actual elected officials who testified to having ZERO evidence of collusion, yet will tell their constituents that "Trump is circling the drain" and "the walls are closing in" on live CNN and MSNBC?

I think you are falling for the conspiracy theory that the right believes in conspiracy theories.

 

I think you meant excerpts, but that is beside the point.

Do you think it is possible that both your assertion, and the assertion in the article, are true. That you don't know anyone who believes in the conspiracy theory related to Gates, but quite a few Repubs do? I understand your indignation. You just haven't given a credible reason for it.

My point is, your quarrel is not with me. I am but a humble messenger of the poll results. Perhaps your quarrel is with Faux's disinformation.........or those gullible enough to believe it. I'm sorry if reading this material upset you. But you have done thing to dispel anything in the article.

"You guys tried to say Trump was a Russian spy so what's the problem with the above??"

I suppose some folks may have. There is no evidence that he is that I'm aware of. However, him not being a Russian spy doesn't make the assertions about Trump's crazy conspiracy theories on twitter each more outlandish than the last, from old debunked accusations against cable news hosts he dislikes to concocted accusations against former president Barack Obama any less valid.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I said I wouldn't reply to things like whataboutisms and now I've gone ahead and done it. I was hoping for so much more from Trump fans. Like informed debate and factual refutations. I guess I need to be more patient. I'm sure a Trump fan will post something along those lines any time now. I look forward to it.

 

No you were not. All I have to do is look at your avatar and it tells me everything I need to know. No one needs to waste their time responding to you.

 

Pretty much Always..

 

Pretty hard to have an "informed" debate with someone who calls their president an orange turd.

 

So far the articles thesis is hitting .667 but it’s a small sample size (avg. needs updated).

The writer articulates my thoughts far better than I do Hell, he did it twice (scroll down in the link for an article on Biden’s VP written May 24).

 

I humbly submit this article to fans of Trump for their consideration.

Some humility. I read the title. That was enough for me to ignore it. Perhaps someone else wasted some time on it.

 

Great article! If Republicans find it a tad long, I suggest they could start by stating if they agree with this part.... This is what the author calls "the vanilla Republican belief system"

"Being a Republican now requires believing in a jaw-dropping series of claims that, if true, would almost necessitate anti-democratic revanchism. One has to believe that a cabal of evil scientists is making up climate science in exchange for grant money; that there is rampant, widescale voter impersonation fraud carried out by thousands of elections officials nationwide; that the “Deep State” concocted a scheme to frame Trump for Russian collusion but chose not to use it before the 2016 election; that shadowy forces are driving migrant caravans and diseases across American borders in the service of destroying white Republican America; that the entire news media is engaged in a conspiracy against the Republican Party; that grieving victims of gun violence and their families all across America want to take away guns as a pretext for stomping the boot of “liberal fascism” on conservative faces; and so on. That and much more is just the vanilla Republican belief system at this point (not even touching less explosive academic fictions like “tax cuts pay for themselves” or “the poor will work harder to better themselves if you cut the safety net.”)"
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I wager that they do... It seems incredible that conspiracy theories only escalate from here.

 

Its a typical tactic, blame the other side for what you yourself are guilty of doing. Again, would love to see the how you call the right a "conspiracy theory cult" when only Trump goes on about conspiracy theories. Yet the entire democrat house and senate back the obvious "Russian collusion" conspiracy theory with actual testimony there was ZERO evidence in Schifts underground hearing.

 

I can have an informed debate if the article its relating too isn't an opinion peace. I can even see eye to eye with you on the climate change thing, and the fact that Trump needs to lose his boner for Obama and stop talking about him all the time. Still, you can't try and base it off an article this negative towards republicans and call it "Humbly".

 

that's not an article but an op-ed piece, by David Aktins, who in the byline says he's an activist. Hard to take you or he seriously at this point

 

The latest conspiracy theory is that 1000s of doctors are conspiring with hospitals to artificially inflate covid-19 death numbers. Why? Because the left wing wants to use the covid-19 crisis to control people. Surely believable -- if you are an avid Fox News watcher.

 

Let me humbly suggest you are using my avatar as an excuse for not responding with factual refutation and informed debate. My avatar having nothing to do with the content of the article I posted.

 

There is plenty of factual content you can reply to if you choose to. Please do begin.

 

Well, I hope you learned your lesson.

Republicans have clearly demonstrated they have abandoned informed debates in order to speak in tongues.

 

The opinion piece written by a liberal activist and presented for debate by a guy with "Orange Turd" in his signature? Tell the truth, you found a snarky article dripping with derision and innuendo and are trying to pretend like you are presenting it for legitimate debate in which you have no genuine interest at all. And inevitably when you are dismissed as a joke by republicans you'll cry about how they "cant" debate.

 

OK, here's an area of agreement we can bat around.

You used the word "ignorant" on climate change. I very respectfully disagree. These folks aren't ignorant, they are willfully un/misinformed by virtue of the media sources they choose to believe in. Both scientific and observational evidence proving man made global warming are readily available. So........how in your opinion did Repubs come to believe in the pernicious lies of right wing media (and Trump) on this topic?

 

The fact that you find the article disagreeable is not an indication of my willingness to engage in informed, respectful debate. If only I could get one of you to start.
If the piece is nothing more than an "opinion piece (it contains lots of factual content) written by a liberal activist" it should be easy to tear apart with factual refutation and respectful, informed debate. Please begin.

 

First of all, Trump supporters often are not Republicans. The Republican Party was just as much (if not more) of a problem as the Democrat Party prior to Trump, and its still a common sentiment that even our R's are only going along with Trump until they think they can get away with stabbing him in the back without sparking off a political revival that gets all of them voted out. Additionally, there's many conservatives/republicans/etc that don't like Trump and don't believe a lot of what he and his supporters claim, but prefer to tolerate him over the express elevator to veiled-collectivist hell that the left has been representing lately. I've heard it put that they're being asked to choose between Hitler and Mao, and then denigrated for not choosing Mao.

But then, I guess if you folks were capable of understanding that dynamic, you'd be doing a better job of appealing politically to those stuck in the middle of all this...

By this, I assume you mean a policy seeking to retaliate against democracy? If so (I ask only because your phrasing threw me off, so correct me if I've misunderstood your intent), surely you're aware by now that those you're accusing of this see themselves as merely resisting the undermining of our Constitutional Republic, and you're just chiding folks for that resistance, yes?

You were doing so well! You just couldn't stop yourself, could you. That might just be the most clear yet concise description of precisely what has been going on --.. until you stumbled on the race herring . I don't suppose it has occurred to you (to be fair, neither has it occurred to the handful of morons that actually buy into the WN/WS garbage) that if true, the agenda you're laying out is targeted at minorities as much as it is at anyone else? Well it has occurred to many minorities that are Trump supporters, so you at least should give them a little credit by not ignoring them with this "white" crap. You know, be inclusive.

no, not the party, just republicans, would be a way more accurate way to put it

you're really kinda going off the rails here. I'll help.

...that grieving victims of gun violence and their families are being lied to by progressive hack politicians who know there is no possible way to disarm Americans to any meaningful extent, but promise they'll do it anyway because their governing records are terrible and their election platforms are worse and the only way they stand a chance is by fearmongering the emotionally vulnerable into an hysteria, which could almost be forgiven if they would address some of the problems that actually cause violence once they get elected, but they never do, and instead just keep blaming guns and the conservatives that don't shoot anybody,

I did not. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but there it is.

 

And then they turn around and accuse the president of acting like a child dissing people on twitter

 

So you are claiming that Obamagate and all that deep state silliness are just more silly conspiracy theories? We knew that all along. The handbook is easy to discern. Trump is f¥£&ing up again, quick, blame Obama.

 

Funny that you comment on something you know nothing about. Trump wasn't impeached for "Russia collusion". That would not have been possible given that it was (and still is) and ongoing investigation. It was Ukraine extorsion. And the Trump defense didn't even bother to dispute the facts. They just argued that it was abuse of power, and that Presidents have a "right" to abuse power. A precedent that should come in very handy to the next Democratic President.