To those of you who are wearing masks in public.

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    An attempted conservative hit job....and they are wrong.
    Did you actually listen to his words ? “ AT THIS TIME.”

    They were in early January and he was right on. There was no need at the time for the public to take the action they are now. After Trump allowed millions of people From infected areas for the NEXT TWO AND ONE HALF MONTHS things changed dramatically. There were potential pandemics under OBama. Did he announce using masks and SD and closing schools ? No. Because he did his job.

    Trump supporters have trouble with the spoken word.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "At this time"......you twist things again to fit your narrative. It is entirely predictable.
     
  3. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    You never looked at the date of the interview ? Ha ha...what a joke...are you now saying that the date is irrelevant ?
     
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    I'm not sure what your point is here.

    This is public health. It works when there is broad participation. When there isn't broad participation it fails.

    I choose not to be a force for failure. I would hope to hell that we all join in this battle against COVID.

    Experts point to the need for full participation and conformity with directives in our military, too. Those fighting in Afg don't decide they are going to wear sandals, because their boots are heavey and make their feet itch.

    I am constantly amazed by the number of people who are actually proud of working to defeat our ONLY tools against the spread of COVID. Who the F do they think they are?
     
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    False. Hospitals have considered masks an important part of PPE.

    They've made it clear that we are losing doctors and nurses because of not having adequate supplies of these materials.

    I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but personal protection, distancing, isolation, etc., are our only tools for fighting the spread of this virus. And, these methods depend on the cooperation of the public.

    You can't be neutral. You're either with COVID or against COVID.
     
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    I didn't say that science is concerning itself with what is moral.

    I AM saying that the results of science indicate that certain of our behaviors are immoral.

    Medical experts (science) have indicated what is necessary to fight this pandemic. Choosing NOT to do that puts others at risk - bringing issues of ethics and morality.

    And, there is no disagreement within science concernig the importance of using the only methods at our disposal for fightign this pandemic.
     
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    Bunk, he restricted China travel over the objections of your party.
     
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    This.

    People are behaving like spoiled children with short attention spans. An attitude that wouldn't last 5 minutes in the military, much less an actual war. And it's a freaking disaster in a pandemic.

    Especially since the WHO has just reported that the virus is not levelling off, it's actually increasing.
     
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    Well that's black and white. I doubt masks do much good, they were intended to protect against bacteria, which is 1,000 times smaller than a virus. It's like trying to stop mosquitoes with a chain link fence. Plus when you breath in your own carbon dioxide all day it lowers your immunity.
     
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    The WHO doesn't have a good track record. Was that globally?
     
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    I've only worn a mask once, and that was because Costco now requires them, and I needed to pick up something at Costco. All the mask did was fog up my glasses, and I haven't gone to Costco since.

    Wearing a mask has become nothing more than "political correctness". In fact, when you use a basic N95 mask you will breath in about 50% of the virus (if there is any in the air), and the rest will get trapped in the mask. Good luck with that, and the homemade masks are probably worse yet.

    What I do do when going out is to make sure I have no cough, that I have no sneeze, that I have no temperature, that I keep my distance as well as possible, and that I have no symptoms of any kind. It's the same procedures I would hope others would follow as well, and if they did, we'd all be a lot better off.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    The mask is not worn to keep the WEARER safe, it's worn to keep others safe from the WEARER.

    And with all due respect, you can't know whether you have COVID unless you're tested. You could be entirely asymptomatic, yet still highly contagious.
     
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    All one needs do is look at the twin nations of Norway and Sweden.

    Norway locked down early and tight. Sweden never did

    Norway has 8,000 cases and 250 deaths

    Sweden has 30,000 and 4,000 deaths
     
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    Masks cut transmission.
    See ya.
    People support giving the guy the boot.
    They no doubt aren't U.S. citizens. Americans should be embarrassed.
     
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    It's not over until it is over.

    What do you suppose will happen when Norway reopens?
     
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    There was rapidly changing info about China, and it wasn't clear what we faced at the outset - in fact, it wasn't clear to China, WHO or the rest of the world, either.

    Slowing travel from Europe was the far more significant issue. It was unbelievably late and carried out in a manner that was just plain preposterous.

    The result is that almost ALL of the USA is infected with COVID that came from Europe - NOT directly from China.

    Even west coast states have 40% east coast COVID Others are all Europe.
     
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    Which is why I don't wear a mask. The other protocols I listed is what keeps others safe, and myself as well.
     
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    They'll be able to test, trace, and quarantine...just as South Korea has
     
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    You're making stuff up.

    "Air purifiers with HEPA filtration efficiently capture particles the size of (and far smaller than) the virus that causes COVID-19, and many readers have asked whether air purifiers can help protect against infection. The answer is yes, in theory. The CDC believes the virus is mainly transmitted by person-to-person contact, but there is growing evidence that it may also be transmitted through the air. If that is confirmed to be the case, HEPA filters will capture airborne coronaviruses.

    The virus that causes COVID-19 is approximately 0.125 micron (125 nanometers) in diameter. It falls squarely within the particle-size range that HEPA filters capture with extraordinary efficiency: 0.01 micron (10 nanometers) and above. Many media outlets have incorrectly stated that HEPA filters don’t filter below 0.3 micron and therefore could not capture airborne coronaviruses. That is flat wrong. (This NASA study of HEPA filtration is quite technical, but the graph on page 7 and the preceding paragraph do a good job of explaining why HEPA filters are actually most efficient—almost 100 percent at 0.01 micron—at capturing ultrafine particles below the 0.3-micron HEPA test standard.)"

    https://thewirecutter.com/blog/can-hepa-air-purifiers-capture-coronavirus/
     
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    I'm in British Columbia (about 5m people).

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  22. dagosa

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    What trump did was ridiculously ineffective..OBVIOUSLY. He was told by intel and his CDC that infections had reached Europe. China ? Europeans were infected ! Dufus Trump thinks only the Chinese can spread the virus ? I hope you don’t share this view.
    “15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe“ politico

    It’s apparent. He was elected to do a job. He never did and still isn’t, doing the job.
     
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    Speaking of bunk.
    You think only the Chinese can spread the virus.....seriously ?
    Do your job.
     
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    Straw man, I never said that.
     
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    Norway is only delaying herd immunity, at great cost to their nation. Probably had a lot more suicides and drug addictions than Sweden.
     

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