Is There Any Such Thing As An Atheist?

This particular Opening Post is addressed ONLY to Christians.
Of course Atheists are welcome to comment.

Christians,

We can not know for certain that there is any such thing as an
atheist. Just because some men say they lack belief in the existence
of God does not mean that they actually DO lack belief in the
existence of God. On Christian lights, God says there is no
such thing as an atheist.

Romans 1:18 says that humans "suppress the truth." Atheists are part
of humanity, so Romans 1:18 applies to them also.

Romans 1:19-20 says "since what may be known about God is plain to
them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the
world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that
people are without excuse."

Note the particulars in Romans 1:19-20
{1) There is information that can be known about God.
{2} This information is plain to men.
{3} God Himself has made it plain to them.
{4} It has been plain to them since the creation of the world.
{5} God's eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen
{6} All this in understood from what God created.
{7} Therefore men are without excuse {for not believing in God.}

Romans 1:19-20 is the germ principle of the Teleological Argument
for the existence of God -- the argument from the Intelligent Design
of the Earth and the Universe.

So?

So Christians in light of Romans 1:19-20 and Romans 1:18 is
there any such thing as an atheist?

What say you?


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Yes. I'm one. End of thread.

 

Theists can either accept that atheists exist or they can openly admit that their intent is to be intellectually dishonest in order to protect their religious sentiments. Those are the choices.

 

Also, if the teleological argument held true, we'd have to "credit" God with the design of every harmful, nefarious, needlessly tortuous thing in the world as well. Bone cancer? Designed by God. Wasps who lay eggs whose larvae eat their hosts alive over the course of several days? God designed that.

If you are going to argue that complexity and the like indicate design, then both the good things in the world and the bad things in the world would require a designer. Yet Christians argue that God personally designed all of the "good" things and that all of the nasty stuff happened after the fall, without the requirement of a designer for its complexity.

A complex seed? That requires God. A spore that hatches in the head of an ant and compels the ant to climb the nearest grass stalk before a fruiting fungal body erupts from its skull and spreads more spores? Erm . . . that complexity doesn't need a designer. No one designed it that way. It used to be good and was just naturally "corrupted" after the fall without anyone making these design decisions. Good nature = evidence of God as a designer. Bad nature = just happened naturally. Move along. Nothing to see here.

 

sounds like human small minded selfishness to me?

 

and atheists are different how?

 

Theists believe in many different Mythical Gods

Atheists believe in none of them

 

Atheists seem to believe that the absence of evidence is the same thing as the evidence of absence.

A loose screw in cognition process.

 

Atheists believe in the myth that they can kknow if god exists orr doesnt.

Only an agnostic holds the honest position. And has humility.

 

Define your imaginary God.

 

I would go one step further: there is no Christianity.
Christianity is just another branch of Judaism.

 

agnostics are atheist until the moment they believe in a God

would consider myself closest to the Buddhist religion myself, I believe in a afterlife, I believe we can be reborn

I believe the tunnel of light you see when you die is the doorway to rebirth, our souls are like mosquito's attracted to the light, the light of life, the only way to escape the cycle of life and death is to learn to control your consciousness and decide not to enter the light in those precious moments after death when you are in between life and rebirth

 

If it is true that humans can suppress truths (which I think atheists would agree with), doesn't it stand to reason that we can't trust things that seem plain to us?

 

Here is an interesting idea for christians to grapple with!

 

agnosticism can marry either theism or atheism. One deals with what you know or don't know, the other what you believe, do not believe. Different scales quantifying different attributes of the same subject.

 

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Some additions , , ,

Self-delusion , , ,
Humans Assert Many Foolish And Incorrect Claims , , ,
Just because some men say they lack belief in the existence
of God does not mean that they actually DO lack belief in the
existence of God. On Christian lights, God, in Romans, and in
other Bible verses says there is no such thing as an atheist.
{see list of those 5 Bible references below}

"Written on their hearts"
Add this , , ,
Romans 2:15 says the requirements of the Laws of God are
"written on their hearts." So all men know there is a God that
created them.

The Heavens "Speak" And Tell You There Is A God , , ,
Psalm 19:1-4 says , , ,
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."

So?
So all men know there is a God.
There is no such thing as an atheist.
Its nothing but pseudo-intellectualism when "atheists"
claim they "lack faith in God." They do not. They
KNOW there is a God. God, in the Bible, specifically
teaches they do know there is a God.

Eternity , , ,
Add this , , ,
Ecclesiastes 3:11 says , , ,
"He has also set eternity in the human heart"

Conclusion: The Bible Teaches There Are No Atheists , , ,
So then I will stand with this:
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

JAG

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The interesting question is obviously not, whether there are atheists and agnostics, that there are is a fact.

The interesting question is what creates such incredible arrogance in a man that he thinks that he knows better what another man thinks than that man himself?

Is it self delusion?
Are they brainwashed from birth?
Are they so stupid they will believe anything their religious book tells them?
Are they so **** scared of death they have to convince themselves everyone else is?
Are they so invested in their god that they cannot conceive of a human being living without their god to hold their hand when it gets dark?

Any thoughts?

 

OP, there is no proof that any of those words came from any god, why start the discussion with something biblical?

 

In my opinion there are no truly intelligent or objective Atheists who have a good understanding of Theoretical Physicist!

(Or so one of the greatest minds to ever post to politicalforum stated on time at least..... or that is how I understood his statement anyway)!



Is it moral for God to punish us?



Ruby.



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What do I think that AboveAlpha implied by this statement?

I think that if I submitted this writing to him in a first year Physics or Philosophy paper... I might NOT get an F!?

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

PROOF is a rather strong term..... I have to give you points for that but.......
proof is a word subject to definition and some people might consider the following to be extremely powerful evidence at the least?!





Jhn 10:30

I and my Father are one.

¶
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.


Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?


¶
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


¶
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.


and..... if you like NDE accounts......

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

Back when I was six or seven years old..... I think Christmas time...... that would be 1966 or '67.... I heard Dr. Billy Graham give one of his Hellfire and Brimstone sermons during a TV Crusade and the following year when i was taught Evolutionary Theory I decided to become an Atheist!

Dr. Billy Graham's preaching condemned most of my family to hell.... (with the exception of my devoted Pentecostal grandmother)!

 

No Dennis your family is not condemned to hell, if there was truly a god do you think he would condemn people because they did not believe in him, its just silly to think that.

If there is a god and your family lived a good life they will be perfectly safe with any truly honest and loving god. Ignore these sad fundamentalists and their pathetic threats of eternal damnation if you disagree with them. They are scared, pathetic people who want to project their own inadequacies and fears onto others.

PS I once knocked a Billy Graham fan flat on his ass and locked his illegally parked car up for a week, he was threatening my old man. Great feeling watching him lying there with blood pouring out his nose telling me I was going to hell, I replied "you should worry about how your getting home tonight and forget about hell". Happy Days!

 

We can not know for certain that there is any such thing as God. Just because some men say they believe in the existence of God does not mean that there is actually a God.
I say there is no such thing as a God.

Easy to make claims about unprovable things.

What say you?

 

You are correct....... the plans of YHWH / HaShem / The Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit (aka G-d the Mother) and the Elohim.... led by the Word - Logos who incarnates into people with a Messianic calling on their lives at a certain point in their lives....... are extremely positive for the long term. All of us will eventually learn that The Dali Lama is a very bright guy with far more insight than we tended to give him credit for in the past.

The most ancient Intelligences EVOLVED in fundamental energy that has existed from infinite time in the past.... not for merely thirteen point seven two billion years. This earth is a rough place... but we can all learn really heavy lessons here in one of the lowest vibrational environments that exists in the multiverse.

Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown that those of us who volunteer to incarnate on this earth are regarded as pioneers and heroes in the spiritual realms.

Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?

This is a much more accurate explanation for what is happening behind the scenes than Dr. Billy Graham offered:

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

Near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai says he was shown that this earth is a lot like a Holloween night house with discarnate spirits making every day as difficult for us as they possibly can........ which is to pressure us into a place of a total lack of HOPE.... which is what they have been taught due to their guilt over what they did in life.



The Near Death Experience of Howard Storm: Parts I & II- The Chains We Forge in Life/Rescue

 

"We"__RTL
Interesting word that "we".
Does "we" mean the entire human race?
Can you speak for the entire human race?
Does "we" mean you and other members of your Ideological Tribe?
Does "we" mean you & me?
Or does "we" just mean you?
If "we" just means you, then what you have said is , , ,
I can not know for certain that there is any such thing as God.
I'mon go with your "we" means just you.
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It is true that you can not know there is a God unless you have
supernatural help to come to know that.

Here is Step 1
Pray the Sinner's Prayer sincerely from the heart , ,

"Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your
forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the
dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart
and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior.
In Your Name. Amen."___off the web

God will "be there for you" to help you with Step 2

That is true.
Mere human speech does not make any claims to be true-reality.
Also , ,
Just because some men say they are atheists does not mean that
in fact they actually are atheists --- self-delusion is what it is.

Have you personally inspected every square foot of Andromeda?
No you have not.

So how do you know for a fact that God is not in Andromeda?
You do not know.

Agnosticism is the intellectually safest place to "hole up."

On Agnosticism you don't have to prove anything -- you can
immediately flee into the safety of , , ,

"I don't know and I don't have to know"

, , and into the safety of , ,

"The burden of proof is on you if you claim to know for a
fact there is a God."

But when you say, "I say there is no such thing as a God"
then the burden of proof is on you -- that is, if you want to
be intellectually vigorous. If not, you can just "flip it off" with
some snappy one-liner and proceed on your merry way.

Which one will it be?

I'mon guess the "snappy one-liner."

Yeah, and you just did exactly that.
"I say there is no such thing as a God."___RTL
"God exists" is unprovable.
"God does not exist" is unprovable.

I say, "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son
that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."
John 3:16

JAG

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