Fauci says extended stay-home orders could cause ‘irreparable damage’

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    So he immediately started widespread and intensive testing? And he made effective efforts to get all the hospitals PPE and other equipment they needed? They haven't done those things YET.

    The travel ban was possibly the most ineffective of all the things done by anyone to the point where it was downright silly. The virus was already here even by that early time and thousands of people came in afterwards. Whole containers of no doubt contaminated freight are coming in even now. The travel ban makes Trump's xenophobes warm and fuzzy but has no real effect on the virus whatsoever
     
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    True, but this just shows that the countermeasures to any epidemic are well known, proven and tested extensively worldwide. As S. Korea proved very well all you had to do was USE them. Trump's inaction and downright SILLY bullshit here has cost us more lives than we lost in fracking VIETNAM fer crissake. In any other country there would be people in the street burning him in effigy. Here we have people making excuse after excuse when there really isn't any.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/whats-south-koreas-secret/611215/
     
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    It’s impossible to immediately start testing in huge numbers and Fauci disagrees with your travel ban analysis .
     
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    SK didn’t get hit hard and in large part that’s the luck of the draw. Some countries got heavy exposure to the virus some didn’t.
     
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    I seem to remember Democrats calling Trump Racist for limiting Chinese folks into the US when this started. Now they are outraged that the nation isn't completely locked down.
     
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    It was xenophobic, according to Sleepy Joe.
     
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    Also, the Chinese have been running an effective espionage and intellectual theft operation in the US(as well as buying up distressed properties), a lot of that has required 'boots'(read: Willing Chinese persons in the US as well as Chinese-Americans) on the ground, thus effecting us far more than the other Asian countries where you'd see ironically less interaction.
     
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    Do you know why?

    It's because they never let it take hold in the first place. They took it seriously before it left China, and behaved accordingly. There was no luck involved.

    PS: the inevitability of people calling it luck is a sad joke.
     
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    Alabama anyone?
     
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    Re-read the article. You missed the part where the virus was hitting S Korea rather hard at first and their countermeasures stopped it "in its tracks". Additionally I don't see how you could say a country nearly BORDERING China was "lucky" in its exposure to the disease
     
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    Is it possible to EVER start testing in large numbers because Trump hasn't really started yet
     
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    If they had shut down China travel when Trump did they would have had fewer cases. There was actually talk of impeaching the SK president for not doing so.
     
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    This is a lie, we're leading the world in testing with over 14 million tests used thus far.
     
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    I've been joking about them calling it 'luck', and now it's actually happening.

    Anything to hold on to the fantasy that strict protocols don't work.
     
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    That's not how it's measured though. It's measured in tests per million (or more commonly, per hundred thousand). And in that, America is behind many countries.
     
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    Of course, we're the 3rd or 4th most populous country in the world, we're going to be behind them in that sense forever. The better number is raw numbers, and in that we've ran more tests.
     
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    So how did they know before it left China that it was a virus that spread person to person even though china called it a pneumonia and WHO said it didn't spread person to person? Inside information?
     
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    I know SK was tooled up because they were hit so hard by the flu epidemic but what counter measures did they take that we didn't?
    As far as proximity to China is concerned that's irrelevant. America does or did so much business with china that our exposure from business travel both directions was the largest in the world.
     
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    Good but not enough, 4million is only a little over 1%. We don't need to test everyone, but surely 1% is not enough and I recall reading that daily tests should be in the millions to be of real use, though that seems rather high.

    It was also started FAR too late. All of the countries successful at dealing with cv started extensive and aggressive testing nearly from the very beginning of deploying countermeasures. If you don't, according to one one expert, it is like fighting a fire blindfolded. Trump was still saying cv was a hoax while S. Korea was testing in drive thrus.

    And Trump is dragging his feet on this too. It is known that he fears that if the number of cv cases is high it may jeopardize his election chances. OTOH if testing can show us where the disease is and isn't we might be able to open the country faster. Oh the trials of being a corrupt, lying President, not even knowing which lies will benefit you more as well as telling so many you can't keep them straight.
     
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    You can't snap your fingers and have unlimited test available. They are being manufactured as fast as possible. You have to be realistic and in a country with the population America has its unrealistic to believe we can test a high percentage of it.
    Testing itself is not the answer either. You'd have to test everyone every day to effectively quarantine everyone infected which is once again unrealistic.
     

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