I humbly submit this article to fans of Trump for their consideration.

Lee Atwater's claims may have been jaw dropping to you, but I didn't find them particularly surprising.

 

The bill that I was referring to "the stop arming terrorist act" did not pass - good that - after the war ended - we once again - have prohibited the funding terrorists.

Well happy day - eh mate but , hold on der one moment ... I may smoke a corncob - and sip a lil moonshine once in awhile but, wasn't this already illegal ? member Bush sayen somtin about " We are not only going after the terrorists - but the supporters of terrorism"

somtin like dat was it ?

While you are humiliating me - and I understand having your rose colored perspective pricked hurts - so if it is what you must do - then explain me dat ?

Explain me - If it was illegal already to arm, support, supply Al Qaeda - How come 10 years after 911 - we don supportin a whole army of Al Qaeda.

And if so - den somone done a crime here... did someone change legislation enacted under Bush - prohibiting support of terrorists ... money laundering - anything ... if ye so much as look that direction ye be done guilty .. have a relative who has a friend of an Al Qaeda Suspect and you could be shipped off to Assad and Tortured ..which we happily did after 911 .. caus he was good at it. - knowing good guy from bad - moderate from Islamist - as his country is full of both - and they are conflicting sides of the fence .. . on one side "Moderates" .. on the other side "radical Islamists" - El Saud inspired ideology.

but I digress. How it be we supportin a whole Al Qaeda Army if was illegal ? splain me dat.

Is it like - oh - well - we will enforce the law when convenient - and when not - forget about it. splain me dat !

And the demonization of Tulsi for her correct position - with respect to the war in Syria - there were more than a few dems jumped on that bandwagon - along with the Blue Mainstream media - Blue Establishment don't like her much .. she was villified as a supporter of Putin ..and so on.

Or do you not remember ? "poof" selective elimination of information that conflicts with necessary illusion generated by rose colored perspective.

I now humbly submit to the humiliation .. and welcome your explanation - and correction if necessary.

 

You tell me why and how suddenly one morning 5000 or so men women and children show up in some town square south of Mexico ready to trek all the way to America while waving their country's flag and burning ours, and finding shelter, water and food ready all along the way..... not to mention buses that cart them some of the way, and advisors and mentors explaining America's laws, and immigration and refugee policies. Isn't that precious?

 

Yet it was incorporated in to the National Defense Authorization Act and voted for by the folks you erroneously accused of "support(ing) terrorism and the move towards a totalitarian police nanny state - an anathema to the founding principles."

You should stop now. I'm trying to be respectful these days but you make it difficult.

 

Don't answer a question with a question. You should just be respectful and honest and admit you can not substantiate your claim. I would humbly suggest you do some research before making a baseless claim. Have a wonderful day.

 

There was no erroneous accusation - the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" did not pass. What part of that do you not understand ?
Moving the goalpost to another Bill - at another place in time - does not support your claim.

I did not say that all the Dem's were evil, but if you would like specific examples -something given in the last post that your brain is desperately trying to block out - is that Obama and Hillary - and the Admin in general - supported terrorism "writ large".

Help Help Help --- "I'm Melting" says your rose colored bubble.

 

Let me give you some context dude. We are paying 13k per Carona virus case 37k if a ventilator is used, meanwhile we have shut down elective surgery and scared cancer patients to death if hospitals almost literally. So guess what hospitals are almost certainly calling any death that doesn't involve bullet wounds covid and you really think they are going to self report that one?

 

I will make it simple for you. Being a democrat means you wholeheartedly agree that there is no crime that a democrat can commit, not ever.

 

Common sense and my rational logic substantiates my claim. If I claim that the sun rises in the east would you demand a link???

 

You should just be respectful and honest and admit you can not substantiate your claim. If you could, you would.

 

Cheney Scolds Trump For Peddling False Conspiracy Theory About Scarborough
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/liz-cheney-scarborough-debunked-conspiracy-trump

This guy is the Conspiracy theorist-in-Chief.

I don't know how you Trump fans can continue to deny it.

 

If you could rationally refute it you would.

 

I'm asking you, politely, to stop making me embarrass you.

 

I am not embarrassed in the least, but my polite suggestion is have a ball trying.

 

The seeds of cult like behavior were evident in the 1980's when the GOP began recruiting the "Immoral Majority" with the anti-abortion canards. At the same time the Koch brothers tried to get into politics themselves on a libertarian platform that has subsequently morphed into the official GOP platform thanks to the Koch brothers bribing their way into politics instead. The final ingredient to the formulation of the cult was Gingrich's Politics of Personal Destruction Manifesto that seeded the divisiveness we have today.

By the time the 1980's rolled around this unholy alliance was joined by the Wall Street Casino Banksters who set about undermining the Social Contract to line their own pockets. In essence they became the parasites that have drained the wealth out of middle class America and used those funds to elect the extremist rightwing cultists who are responsible for our current Covidiot-in-Chief hiding out in the Oval office as a fugitive from justice.

These cultists embrace conspiracies because they need someone else to blame for their plight because they have no idea that they are responsible for the harm they have caused our nation.

 

And?

Given Bush administration actions in lying us into Iraq the idea that he or people under him either enabled or failed to stop 9/11 is not an unreasonable proposition.

The US had a hard-on over Iran for 30 years
The US had a hard on over Iraq for 10 years
The US had been pushing regime change in both countries
NEO-cons had been pushing for an invasion since the mid-90s.

AND

The intelligence report a month earlier warning of an attack had been essentially ignored.

All of this together makes that belief not unreasonable and none of it is false.

Bill Gates created the virus as part of a plan to infect every American with tracking devices? To believe this requires a logical leap that has absolutely no foundation in reality.

Apples and sneakers sonny.

 

So in a thread that ostensibly shows that the right are conspiracy nuts, you come along to affirm a leftist conspiracy.

Well thanks.

 

I pointed out the "left" one is not unreasonable.

The ones you guys choose to believe and Trump chooses to promote?

Questions about Ted Cruz's father's potential ties to President John F. Kennedy's assassin.
Birtherism
Vince Foster
Syrian Refugees are ISIS agents
Conspiracies about Scalia's death
childhood vaccines cause autism
Muslims in New Jersey were cheering after 9/11
Climate change is a Chinese conspiracy
Fox News being owned by a Saudi billionaire
legitimacy of the "Access Hollywood" tape
Claims that Joe Scarborough killed one of his interns
Claims that Obama had wiretapped Trump's phone
voter fraud in the 2016 election cost him the popular vote
Windmills cause cancer

And, of course, more recently claiming the Covid death counts are inflated.

There's a difference between connecting the dots between a series of related facts and pulling Trump alternative facts" out of his butt and shoving them down our throats.

 

So your idea is that if your 9/11 conspiracy theory isn't "unreasonable," then it's...what, legitimate? Since you've outed yourself as a 9/11 truther, I just note that most of the country regards your 9/11 conspiracies as not reasonable.

I'm sure the guys who think Queen Elizabeth is a lizard person or that the earth is flat also think their theories are "not unreasonable."

 

Never said it was "legitimate." I said the chain of evidence could lead one to make that reasonable conclusion. While it is doubtful it is one of the few such theories that contain sufficient connections to be possible.

What chain of evidence did Trump's birtherism follow?

Show me the chain of "evidence" for the one that put Trump in the White House.

 

No you don't. If you were looking forward to an informed debate you wouldn't have put all that ridiculous drivel in they opening post.

You don't have to believe in any kind of conspiracy to believe that like minded people are involved in abusing their positions and their connections to reach a desired end.

You don't have to believe in any kind of conspiracy of scientists to believe that many scientists want to believe in climate change because they see it as popular and a means of gaining recognition in their community and research dollars.

You don't have to believe in any kind of conspiracy of the so called "deep state" to believe that a lot of people working in the U.S. federal government were utterly appalled at the idea of Donald Trump becoming president and have used their positions and connections to attempt to weaken him.

 

1) Actual "humble messenger's" never say "I am a humble messenger".

2) As someone who once created and conducted polls (in college as part of my degree program) I can tell you with complete honestly that you can get people to agree to anything in polls. I know of polls that have been conducted that got a majority of respondents to support slavery!!

 

Wow you are really doubling down on the crazy. There is no legitimate "chain of evidence" that leads to 9/11 trutherism. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you are in this thread invalidating the OP's position, but I'm surprised that there are still adherents to this. OK then, enjoy!

 

Listed in my original reply.

Noted that you failed to respond to the Birtherism question.

Because, it is as I noted.

Trumpinistas require no evidence to believe. The rest of us, give a reasonable chain of evidence, can be led to draw incorrect conclusions. This doesn't make most of them "Truthers."

The difference between the two is that Truthers will continue to promote the theory even when it has been shown to be wrong. Like Birthers, like windmills cause cancer, like voter fraud.

 

"The difference between the two is that Truthers will continue to promote the theory even when it has been shown to be wrong"

Yes you've certainly shown that!

Why bring birtherism up, and demand some sort of answer from me on it? I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a birther. Do you know why I don't believe it? No evidence and plenty of evidence to the contrary, and that's the same answer I give to trutherism.

Oh you know there is a conspiracy section on this forum? It seems that's where you belong.