New CDC Death Rate Estimate for COVID19 is .2%

Must have drunk himself to death out of fear of C19. I blame Trump.

 

You keep calling people selfish. Why is it selfish for mom n pop to open their business, but not for Walmart?

 

The only technical definition of the word "many" is "more than one."

So yes, that is probably true, but does almost nothing to alter the overall numbers. And any such instance almost certainly gets balanced out by covid-19 deaths which are missed.

 

As an initial matter, he was talking about people being selfish in regards to social distancing, not the shuttering of non-essential businesses.

Walmart is being selfish of course. But if the reason that the "mom n pop" shop wants to open their business is because of the financial gain for them personally, isn't that pretty much the definition of selfish?

 

I suppose those of use with more than one pair socks is selfish if we want to look at it that way. No one is forcing people to leave their homes or get within 6 feet of others. I guess I support ones right to be selfish and strongly oppose using government force to keep people at home. Its not like politicians have to live under their own laws. They all seem to have nice haircuts!

 

It's less contagious, many of us have antibodies already, and there are treatments and a vaccine available. One day we'll all be able to say the same about COVID-19.

 

Not according to the CDC which states obesity at 42.4%

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

 

So?

Even if it is 42%, it doesn't change the fact that the earlier suggestion that:

"All fat, diabetic, elderly, and unhealthy people quarantine The rest of us are should be free".

^Is a Complete Non-Starter (and is easily shot down).

 

You completely missed the point, the flu is prevalent in seasons, but the coronavirus is more consistent, and has already killed more than the flu in just a few months. In fact most of the damage we have seen from COVID-19 has occurred just outside of flu season. Even to this day, we're almost in June now and we are still losing thousands of American lives every week from COVID-19, and again this has occurred while under lock down. I can't stress that enough, the purpose of the lock down isn't because of the 100,000 people who have died already, it is to prevent a much higher number for occurring. The fact that COVID-19 has been able to kill more people than the flu in such a short period of time, and is still killing thousands more every week all while on lock down should tell you something

Perhaps the doctors are right when they say this is serious, and perhaps taking the necessary precautions to prevent our hospitals from being overwhelmed to the point of running out of medical supplies is a good idea. If we allowed that to happen it wouldn't just be COVID-19 fatalities that would significantly increase. You can blame the media all you want, but the fact of the matter is it is the doctors who advising us to take these precautions

 

The most effective action was taken by DeSantis in Fl. when he targeted nursing homes for special consideration:

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Inspectors and assessment teams also visited nursing homes. Florida, DeSantis notes, “required all staff and any worker that entered to be screened for COVID illness, temperature checks. Anybody that’s symptomatic would just simply not be allowed to go in.” And it required staff to wear PPE. “We put our money where our mouth is,” he continues. “We ended up sending a total of 10 million masks just to our long-term-care facilities, a million gloves, half a million face shields.”

Florida fortified the hospitals with PPE, too, but DeSantis realized that it wouldn’t do the hospitals any good if infection in the nursing homes ran out of control: “If I can send PPE to the nursing homes, and they can prevent an outbreak there, that’s going to do more to lower the burden on hospitals than me just sending them another 500,000 N95 masks.”

When the state was seeing infections at nursing homes presumably caused by staff, DeSantis deployed what he calls “an expeditionary testing force” — 50 National Guard teams of four guardsmen together with Department of Health personnel that tested staff and residents.
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https://nypost.com/2020/05/23/florida-had-right-coronavirus-response-but-media-wont-tell-you-that/

The most destructive action was forcing Covid-19 patients into nursing homes, as was done in NY.

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The coronavirus patients began arriving the last week of March, transferred to the Gurwin Jewish Nursing and Rehabilitation Center under a New York state mandate requiring nursing homes to accept those recovering from COVID-19, even if they still might be contagious.

At the time, the Long Island nursing home had only one known resident who had contracted the virus, according to the facility’s president and CEO, Stuart Almer.

A month later, Gurwin is battling an outbreak that’s killed 24 residents — only three of whom were hospital transfers — and one staff member, who worked in housekeeping, Almer said. And the nursing home is still mandated to take in recovering hospital patients known to have the virus, potentially increasing its spread in the facility.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811

 

I am a retired statistician. I like it when numbers are correct and don't like it when they are not. I understand that many here are innumerate and numbers don't mean very much to them. I post on behalf of those who are not.

 

And lots of high dollar ice cream.

 

50% of statisticians are above average!

 

The issue with that is that doctors are not economists. Their recommendations do not reflect the economic impacts they would have, just the medical ones. That’s a serious issue.

 

And there might be less suicides and addiction if not for the arrogance and ignorance of the LW. This isn't a health vs. the economy question, it's a health vs. health one.

 

You're moving the goalposts, the economy was shut down so we wouldn't overwhelm the hospitals. That isn't happening.

 

More will die from those due to lack of testing with the stupid shutdown.

 

Why, were they getting their tests done at McDonald's? If anything cancers and other diseases would go un-diagnoased because hospitals were flooded with COVID patients. Gee if only there was some thing that each of us could do to reduce infections...

 

Keeping the hospitals from being overwhelmed was not the only goal. It was to reduce the growth of a virus to a significant degree and to save lives.

One way that saves lives is by keeping the hospitals from being overwhelmed, but the other way is to give society the time to learn and incorporate pandemic control measures, like social distancing and washing hands, and to give the medical infrastructure time to research and develop viable treatments.

 

And that is a fair point, economists should be included in the discussion on determining when the negative impact of our actions outweigh the negative impact of not taking action. Another thing to consider is people aren't just losing their jobs due to the lock down, they are losing their healthcare as well. All of that should be taken into consideration when making a decision on what actions we should take to prevent this virus from spreading. That would be the rational thing to do, what is not rational however is when we outright dismiss the warnings from doctors on the severity of the virus simply because we find it inconvenient. We should neither downplay the severity of the virus, nor should we downplay the severity of the economic impact from the actions we are taking. There needs to be a balance, it would be unreasonable to do absolutely nothing to prevent the virus from spreading, but at the same time it is also unreasonable to try to remain on lock down until a cure is produced

 

Excuse me, but I think you wandered into the wrong Forum.

Here at PF we are bewildered by measured and thoughtful posts.

 

That's why thoughtful posts like that usually don't get any response.

 

60%, actually.

 

That article is STILL mixing CFR and IFR.

And it makes no real effort to clear that up.

IFR is guesswork. CFR is based on confirmed cases.

Trying to make an IFR number appear as if it negates a CFR number is either stupid or dishonest

 

We do it every year with flu cases.