Corona Virus Update

Turns out the immunity tests are screwed up as well. Save your money an toss a coin.

(CNN)Antibody tests used to determine if people have been infected in the past with Covid-19 might be wrong up to half the time, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in new guidance posted on its website.

Antibody tests, often called serologic tests, look for evidence of an immune response to infection. "Antibodies in some persons can be detected within the first week of illness onset," the CDC says.
They are not accurate enough to use to make important policy decisions, the CDC said.
"Serologic test results should not be used to make decisions about grouping persons residing in or being admitted to congregate settings, such as schools, dormitories, or correctional facilities," the CDC says.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/health/antibody-tests-cdc-coronavirus-wrong/index.html

 

People shouldn't be holding big swim parties when COVID-19 is around. A small party might be okay. Are they going to pull a Trump--"I did nothing wrong!"--if a bunch of people get sick?

 

so then what is the death rate of 70 and over? Catching the virus is very serious but it is not a death sentence in most cases. It is not 100% lethal, far from it.

 

You'll have no way of knowing how many they infected, given America's pretty ordinary tracing policies.

 

There is going to be some immunity, at least initially. But no one knows if it will be complete, or if it will last. Ergo aiming for herd immunity is pointless and dangerous.

 

They weren't so slyly sweet about it here. They just said "police will do random checks"

 

Yes, it's super weird to see so many speak in the past tense, as though it all just went away .... right around the time they started getting very bored.

 

Bull, we know what is happening and pretty much exactly what to do, but Trump won't let or help people do it. It's pretty clear that he wants to return to his first suggestion of what to do and just let the epidemic burn itself out as it kills as many as it will. He sees the population as increasingly restive under quarantine and thinks that a million or more dead is a small price for us to pay if it results in his reelection

 

There's a lot of things we don't know about SARS-CoV-2 and how long immunity lasts is one of them. Until we know more about the virus, or have effective treatments, we should do what we must to suppress it.

Australia has managed...



So, too, has British Columbia in Canada.

 

Why don't you get involved instead of carping? Or are you here to undermine the system of government?

I don't think you'll win because many of your ideas suck, but you could at least become an effective critic.

 

Unsupportable nonsense.

You don't care that the population as increasingly financially unstable under quarantine and thinks that an economic collapse is a small price for us to pay if it prevents his reelection

 

There’s a good chance the coronavirus will never go away.
Even after a vaccine is discovered and deployed, the coronavirus will likely remain for decades to come, circulating among the world’s population.

Experts call such diseases endemic — stubbornly resisting efforts to stamp them out. Think measles, HIV, chickenpox.

It is a daunting proposition — a coronavirus-tinged world without a foreseeable end. But experts in epidemiology, disaster planning and vaccine development say embracing that reality is crucial to the next phase of America’s pandemic response. The long-term nature of covid-19, they say, should serve as a call to arms for the public, a road map for the trillions of dollars Congress is spending and a fixed navigational point for the nation’s current, chaotic state-by-state patchwork strategy.

 

I guess we may not know when the first will end but the worst of the first wave is pretty much over. There isn't as much as there was in March or it depends where you are.

 

So, we kill 1,000,000 people, ruin the economy because people retreat further into their homes...


... and we find out immunity is weak, short-term, and we can kill another million next year.

Frankly, we're opening too soon, Trump is encouraging risky behavior, and we're at some point likely to see fecal matter interacting with the fan before the election with new cases rising quickly.

 

Yes we have

 

A lot of this was won by locking people down. If we don't want a lot more dead, we either have to apply (or reapply) those mitigation measures as needed or do something new like they've done in Australia, New Zealand, or British Columbia. I don't mention China, South Korea, Singapore, or Taiwan because they're a different culture.

Take British Columbia...



Five million people and a major city of 2.5m. We can bend the curve and then flatten it without locking people down. They're opening businesses they had closed while they got the virus under control. Their public schools reopen on Monday.

We don't know enough about SARS-CoV-2 to go for "herd immunity" because we haven't determined how long or strong immunity is created by the disease.

 

It feels good to go out in public and know there is very little virus around (here in British Columbia). I bet you feel the same way. You don't have to worry about your family or friends getting COVID-19. It's like being able to exhale.

 

Take a break for some retro fever music.

 

Absolutely

 

However, in epidemiology we say there is no appreciable herd immunity, so technically there is none until a minimum % threshold.

 

Aussies don't mess around.

Canadians don't, either:

In Canada, the Riot Act has been incorporated in a modified form into the Criminal Code, a federal statute. Sections 32 and 33 of the Code deal with the power of police officers to suppress riots. The Code defines a riot as an "unlawful assembly" that has "begun to disturb the peace tumultuously". When twelve or more persons are "unlawfully and riotously assembled together", the proclamation can be read by a number of public officials, such as justices of the peace, provincial court judges, mayors, and sheriffs. The proclamation can also be read during prison riots: Quebec and Manitoba have designated senior correctional staff as Justices of the Peace for the purpose of reading the proclamation, while other provinces will ask a local justice of the peace to travel to the prison to read the proclamation.​

The proclamation is worded as follows:​

Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or to their lawful business on the pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to imprisonment for life. God save the Queen.​

Unlike the original Riot Act, the Criminal Code requires the assembled people to disperse within thirty minutes. When the proclamation has not been read, the punishment for rioting is up to two years of imprisonment. When the proclamation has been read and then ignored, the penalty increases, up to life imprisonment.​

The proclamation was read during the Winnipeg general strike of 1919 and the 1958 riot over racial discrimination against First Nations in Prince Rupert, British Columbia. One recent reading was during Vancouver's Stanley Cup riot in June 2011.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act#Canada

Life in prison! Top that!!!

 

At least covidiots are contributing toward potential herd immunity conferred by a vaccine by becoming infected themselves.

 

President Trump on Thursday morning said that the United States had reached a "very sad milestone" in exceeding 100,000 deaths due to the novel coronavirus, expressing sympathy for those who have lost loved ones.
"We have just reached a very sad milestone with the coronavirus pandemic deaths reaching 100,000," Trump tweeted. "To all of the families & friends of those who have passed, I want to extend my heartfelt sympathy & love for everything that these great people stood for & represent. God be with you!"

The COVID-19 death toll passed 100,000 Wednesday evening, as Trump was returning to Washington from a trip to Florida, where he had been supposed to celebrate a historic rocket launch, which was postponed due to inclement weather.

Trump's tweet Thursday marked his first reaction to the country reaching the grim milestone, a development that dominated news headlines overnight.

 

OK you made your point.

 

It sounds like you are advancing the crackpot conspiracy theories brought by Pfauci.