Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

Yes, protest the black police chief, the liberal mayor, the liberal city council, the liberal governor, etc. Yet I bet those protestors will flock to the polls and push the button for Democrat again at the next election. How stupid can people ****ing be?

 

this guy wasn't overweight so the grand jury would indict

 

That could be a defense. Hypothetical: Guy A has a congenitally thin skull. Guy B hits guy A in the head with a brick not knowing of his condition. Guy A dies. A juror could find that hitting someone in the head with a brick in and of itself shows depraved indifference. 2nd degree murder.
This guy has a congenitally weak heart that gives out due to stress of having cop kneel on his neck for 8 minutes. Same thing.

The reason you can indict a ham sandwich is you only have to show that if the Defendant did "a", and "a" constitutes a crime, the Defendant has committed a crime. So, if the cops thought out and carried out the per-medittated unlawful killing of a person, and that doing so would constitute a crime, you indict. Now proving out each element of the crime becomes the thing.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner
The Grand Jury should have indicted but the cops may well have been found not guilty. I can see that failure causing an up roar. Again: these cops were not necessarily guilty of anything. That isn't the Grand Jury's call. Just IF they did A, and A constitutes a crime. Then trial to prove the elements or not.

2nd Edit: My bad in that a Grand Jury is given SOME investigative powers.

 

Don't need to be obese to have heart problems.

 

Wouldn’t it be more simple if these folks quit committing crime?

 

That would be easier if we as a society did a better job at leveling income disparities. Right now the working class elected Donald Trump in part because our ruling elite have all but declared war on them.

 

Let's think ahead to the court case;

DA; "Officer you are charged with depraved indifference to your colleague choking a prisoner to death with a knee on his neck"

Officer 2/3/4; "Sir placing a knee on his neck is department policy in restraint, officer 1 was only following the official guidance"

DA; "Er yes but surely not for that length of time?"

Officer 2/3/4; "Yes but unless I had x-ray vision to see through his trouser leg how would I know if he was applying pressure constantly? I thought he was applying pressure and then easing it off when the prisoner was no longer resisting"

DA; "But you could hear him shouting he couldn't breathe?"

Officer 2/3/4; "Which reassured me that he could, he couldn't shout if he genuinely couldn't breathe. If you like I'll put you in a choke hold and you'll see that's impossible"

DA; "Er, no thanks. But didn't you realise what was happening?"

Officer 2/3/4; "No, only officer 1 would have had a clear view of what was happening to his upper body, I was restraining his torso/feet/keeping an eye on the increasingly agitated crowd that I feared would rush us and attempt to free him. I was scared that the prisoner would attempt to grab one of our guns of my belt or roll us over into the passing traffic. It was also incredibly noisy, we had people shouting, the noise of the passing traffic, the radio blaring and was exhausted from having to restrain this man for 10 minutes".

DA; "Huh?"

My prediction, 2/3/4 will walk and get millions for unfair dismissal. 1 will plead for manslaughter UNLESS it emerges the prisoner died from an unrelated condition (swallowing his drugs etc).

 

The looting is stupid.

Fair enough, I've frequently read his posts and thought this screen name was chosen for the sake of irony but maybe he believes what he's saying.

 

It's more than 'stupid'?

Nothing ironic about my name, I'm very reasonable, if you disagree with me fine but it's for you to persuade me with the facts.

 

Not it doesn't, because the longer than necessary part is extremely relevant to the case.

 

It is very relevant, for starters it almost instantly exonerates officers 2,3,4 because they can say that officer 1 was using an authorised method of restraint on the prisoner and therefore they didn't think he was doing anything wrong. You can say they should have been aware of the length of restraint being excessive but they have no way of knowing that officer 1 wasn't just applying pressure only when necessary and resting his knee there in preparation to apply pressure at other times. Especially as they could hear the prisoner shouting and therefore knew he was able to breathe.

Officer 1 of course has no such defence but again he can say he was using a restraint move he had been trained in and was legally allowed to employ. Question is did he use that to an unreasonable degree and that is what has to be adjudged. However I'm still waiting for the autopsy to provide a definitive cause of death? (although I guess Minneapolis police are rather busy at the moment?).

 

Sorry, Rob. You're not being reasonable on this one. The police officer used excessive force and killed Mr. Floyd. Nearly 100% of people are agreeing on that point. You're odd man out.

 

More new video

 

And more from the early arrest

 

Here is one of the more assinine assumptions by those on the side of Killer Cop and their made up fantasy defense:

"""Which reassured me that he could, he couldn't shout if he genuinely couldn't breathe.""


People having difficulty breathing say they can't breath to alert those around them. See, if they wait until they stop breathing they are too dead to say anything....is this getting through?

Do you really think when a person is having difficulty breathing they are calm and reasonable and say, "Pardon me, sir, but I seem to be having respiratory difficulty"

No, they say ,I can't breath......and DECENT , mentally stable people respond with aid....not a knee on the neck...

 

That video of the peaceful protest, with majority white protesters (probably 75-80%) was in one area of the city.

A different YouTube stream shows the looting, property damage and arson happening a few blocks away at Target, Dollar Tree and Auto Zone. That crowd was majority black.

Peaceful protests can gain public support for an issue and speak to an injustice, in this case of extreme police brutality and murder-by-cop.

Looting and thuggery only exacerbates negative stereotypes about blacks and does nothing to address any issue. Stereotyping "all" members of a group as "the same" because of a "few" members of a group are behaving in criminal fashion is ignorant thinking, but the lootings only reinforce that negative thinking about a "whole group" in some peoples' minds.

 

Yikes. Are you seriously condoning looting of private property? Target didn't kill that man.

 

I have serious doubts that the people who were looting and burning Target and AutoZone were honestly trying to petition their government for a redress of their grievances. I'd be amazed if 10% of them even knew who George Floyd was. They saw a chance to upgrade their TV for free and took it. They're trashy, third-world people. The cops are corrupt, murdering S.O.B.s so I'm left with no one to cheer for. AS I said, I hope both sides lose.

 

It was much closer to 6 minutes.
So already the Lies are mounting.

 

is the racist thug cop arrested yet?

 

Most departments quit training for knee on neck / head DECADES ago. I'm seriously skeptical that this is still MPD policy.

 

So you think resisting arrest is grounds for immediate execution without trial? You seem to have left of the "UN" prefix in your handle.

 

Says it all

 

and we still have NO video evidence of the unarmed guy fighting with the police in a way that justified knee to the neck.

this thug racist cop is a murderer

 

there is ZERO evidence that he resisted arrest.

neither of the two videos show this.

the thug racist cop, needs to be charged with murder