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LOL! That is why the Big Business Bosses like government healthcare.
Big Business can't be blamed for the rationing and death panels. It's perfect.

 

That happened before the ACA, now, and prolly wont change in the future no matter what type of system we have, even cash up front..You pay 100grand up front, they go inside you find out its gonna cost more, you cant afford it. Boom decisions have to be made.
Thats all up to the facility and their price structure. For the VA its the government, for private institutions its who ever they hire to do that. If anyone had to face a death panel, its due to their lack of funding anyway.

 

$100,000.00 is more than enough to buy very good health insurance.
Catastrophic health insurance is even cheaper unless you have one foot on a banana peel nd the other in the grave.

 

Thats not the point. The point is coverage, and making sure everyone has it. Currently what we have is a bill we have to pay, and hope it provides adequate funding to pay for coverage.
Before the ACA, your employer paid this bill in some cases..This bill gave you coverage for x,y, and Z being anything over $100,000 for instance.The X being what ever daily medical crap you need to live when they hired you, such as diabetes medicine, daily check ups, family coverage, your basic day to day crap, etc. If at anytime you needed Y, or Z, the insurance company could deny you, then jack up your boss premium to such an extent, he may have to fire you. The ACA changed that. But the problem of coverage still remains, not everyone has it. In any system the more people that have it, the less it cost per end user.

Our Single payer gives everyone medicaid, but jacks up our medicaid tax. THATS IT! It doesent take away hospitals, it doesent give goverment power over anything they didnt have power over before. Everyone still gets paid, and if you couldn't afford coverage before, you would just have it now.

The custom coverage you want comes after all the dust is settled from people realizing, "Hey, i dont need insurance anymore, i can pocket this money i paid for this bill." Whether its employers, or individuals. That's the choice we have before us now. IF you want what Medicaid doesent provide, you have to examine if it would cost you more per year, or less. Thats what your voting for.

If you were ever in a position to not have to worry about insurance, medicaid, or even payroll taxes for employees..Then none of this matters to you anyway. You could just fly to Cuba, and pay to get rid of your Cancer out of pocket, If you wake up in a hospital anywhere, you would already have a personal system in place to protect you, such as a personal HR manager to draw from your funds what ever its gonna cost to wake you up.

 

A friendly reminder to anyone who thinks Biden can fix anything.

 

"Coverage" is not healthcare.

"Women fearful of 'war zone' treatment have babies alone, Pregnant women face lack of privacy and staff shortages in hospitals", Gaby Hinsliff, chief political correspondent, Sunday July 20, 2003 The Ovserver,
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,1480,1001894,00.html

 

People who think more govt is a solution scare me. ~shudder~

 

No its not, and thats her freedom..Which its strange why anyone things single payer, would mean government would or even could interfere with private medicine. Private medicine is regulated by a different branch, not the treasury department.
Just because you have coverage also doesent mean you HAVE to go to the nearest disease central. But something needs to happen JUST IN CASE you decide to cost Private facilities time and money to get you better.

Because of the health system we have in place that mandates they have to take care of you..It also means they have to be funded, whether you can afford it or not.

 

If you dont want others paying for your healthcare, you dont want insurance either. Cause that's all government is, people YOU put in charge. They only have the power you give them over you.

 

That last comment wasnt directed to anyone personally, its more of a rhetorical to anyone that feels the way @Smartmouthwoman was directing her statement towards, was too late to edit. Its more of an agreement.

 

You leave out one important aspect of health care in America. Charities. An example: one of my housemates is disabled due to heart problems. He had no health insurance when his heart stopped working, but received excellent care thru Methodist Hospital's Golden Cross program. He has a defib unit implanted in his chest which was provided and is currently maintained by St Jude. Methodists are asked to contribute to Golden Cross in churches across the country. Other denominations have similar programs.

Private philanthropic foundations also give millions toward healthcare and would give more if govt isn't calling the shots. The more govt, the less private money. The major advantage to private vs govt is this... private money requires reporting to verify programs work. Govt money is pumped into programs whether they work or not.

I spent 15 years as grants administrator in large private foundations. The more govt gets involved in healthcare, the more $$ goes into the arts, historical preservation, etc. Billions of private dollars are available... but not if they're competing with Uncle Sam.

Bottom line... Biden's had 40+ years to work on healthcare. Why on earth anybody thinks he has answers is beyond my understanding. Do YOU think Biden is capable of implementing a single payer system?

 

I dont think he would go out of his way to sabotage it like Trump would. I think he would know better and let people more qualified to handle its implementation.

And i didnt forget charity..Thats not going anywhere, even if it was outlawed, so its a mute point. No ones gonna stop me from helping someone in need if i choose to do so.

 

Single payer government healthcare is bad healthcare.

"LONDON (AP) — A 4-year-old boy in a Spider-Man top lying on a hospital floor took center stage Monday in Britain’s election campaign, as the opposition painted his plight as a symptom of the country’s ailing health system and branded Prime Minister Boris Johnson heartless for avoiding looking at his photo." ...

"Jack’s mother, Sarah Williment, told the Mirror she covered him with coats to keep him warm as he awaited assessment at Leeds General Infirmary last Tuesday. Rushed to hospital amid fears he had pneumonia, Jack was eventually diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis and sent home."
AP, Boy on hospital floor dominates Britain’s election campaign, By MIKE CORDER and JILL LAWLESS, 12/9/19.
https://apnews.com/a6742889e9f1c0b8652d06ba94563864

 

What does any of that have to do with single payer..the hospital was a crap hospital, but at least the parents had a choice in which hospital they wanted to take the boy cause the boy was fully funded.
No one said go to that hellish place.

 

Government single payer healthcare kills. It is always all about rationing, denial of care, death panels and ultimately involuntary euthanasia AKA murder.

"Commenting on the review, Sara Ryan, Connor’s mother, told the BBC: “We have so much evidence now of a complete dismissal of the human-ness of people labelled with learning disabilities and … I don’t actually want to live in a society in which this just goes on and the government does nothing about it.”
THE GUARDIAN, Poor NHS care contributed to deaths of 13 people with learning disabilities, Treatment delays, neglect or abuse adversely affected patients, mortality review says, By Patrick Butler, Social policy editor, Fri 4 May 2018 11.12 EDT Last modified on Fri 4 May 2018 17.00 EDT.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-contributed-deaths-13-learning-disabilities

 

No..That's what the insurance companies are about. Actually that's what any system will have to do..If you are the sole person paying for say your mothers care..It ends when you run out of money anyway, so you have to be your own personal death panel for her to cut the care early or drag it out. If your mother asks for voluntary euthanasia would you deny her?
If she says no, and you cant afford it..its technically involuntary euthanasia for her now isnt it once they take her off life support.

 

Not sure how this topic turned to healthcare, but I'm much more concerned about electing a man with dementia than debating whether single pay is better or worse. It's too bad the Dems couldnt come up with a more capable candidate. Expecting Biden to accomplish more than finding his way to the men's room is delusional.

 

IOW, coverage is not care. Single payer/government healthcare is all about rationing, death panels, and involuntary euthanasia. Government is not our little friend.

"The video shows the veteran calling for help six times before he goes unconscious while gasping for air. State records show nursing home staff found Dempsey unresponsive at 5:28 am. It took almost an hour for the staff to call 911 at 6:25a.m.

When a different nurse does respond, she fails to check any of his vital signs. Nuckles says she would have reprimanded the nurse for the way she responded to Dempsey. She called the video “sick.”

When nurses had difficulty getting Dempsey’s oxygen machine operational during, you can hear Nuckles and others laughing."
WXIA, Hidden camera tells true story of how veteran died after calling for help, gasping for air, The nursing home didn't want you to see the video., Andy Pierrotti, WXIA 11:33 AM. EST November 14, 2017.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/investigat...er-calling-for-help-gasping-for-air/491689954

 

It's just a partial solution, but it could be start....

 

unless we tax the rich their fair share and invest in education and training for our workforce like every other modern country...

 

By 'we' you mean Big Brother, right? As opposed to 'We, the people'?

 

He doesn't even know what state he's in.

Good luck with that.

Don't make me laugh. Biden was Obama's VP for 8 years and the road to prosperity was a cul-de-sac till Trump took over.

The U.S. is light years ahead of other Western nations, one only needs to see the Covid-19 response.

 

Good ole Joe, the perv.

 

Gosh. This COVID crisis has kept Biden in hiding. It's nearly like the whole thing was planned to provide him cover until the election.