Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

What is a 'carriage arrest?'

 

We'll see. Compressing the neck for two minutes after he lost consciousness surely didn't do anything to revive him.

 

A reminder that the ME has only made one definitive statement. The full report isn't due for a couple of weeks. Any declarative statements from random internet "experts," are speculative, and are certainly based on your personal wishes & biases. "May have contributed," or "may have been present," are just guesses. Wait for the report.

Denying blood flow to the brain is not the same as asphyxia, which is lack of oxygen. The ME has not made any statement about that part, yet.

 

Well, I respect your opinion, but disagree with it. Half the country would not want to live under a national rule by the Republican platform and the other half would not want to live under a national rule by the Democrat platform.

When we get to a local community level, we have left-leaning and right-leaning locations. People unhappy are free to move somewhere they are more comfortable. Elected leaders of local governments are also easier and quicker to change out and are more adaptable to democracy by popular vote of people who all live and work in the community together.

If we go under a national rulership for all laws, there is no place for unhappy people to run....unless we were to start forming migrant caravans and heading to other, "better", countries. ....and which country would we rather choose than here, even with all this country's wrinkles and pimples? I don't think it's a good idea to take our freedom from an overreaching national government for granted.

 

He was probably dead at that point. The ME said it was not asphyxiation, lack of oxygen to the brain.

 

"Psychologist William Ryan coined the phrase "blaming the victim" in his 1971 book of that title.[4][5][6][7][8] In the book, Ryan described victim blaming as an ideology used to justify racism and social injustice against black people in the United States

Although Ryan popularized the phrase, other scholars had identified the phenomenon of victim blaming.[14] In 1947 Theodor W. Adorno defined what would be later called "blaming the victim," as "one of the most sinister features of the Fascist character".[15][16] Shortly thereafter Adorno and three other professors at the University of California, Berkeley formulated their influential and highly debated F-scale (F for fascist), published in The Authoritarian Personality (1950), which included among the fascist traits of the scale the "contempt for everything discriminated against or weak."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

Long story short, it's often about power.

 

But he didn't make any statement about lack of blood to the brain. Let's wait and see what he says about that.

 

He "could" have not resisted, but resisting arrest does not strip a citizen of their rights to due process under our laws.

What you or I would do, which is to be extremely compliant with anything a cop tells us to do, is certainly a far better idea than resisting arrest. However, what you or I would do does not mean that resisting arrest calls for extreme use of force beyond what was necessary. It appears to most people in the country that egregious excess force was used against Floyd, but now we wait for the jury to agree or disagree.

 

they were waiting for back up, police dogs are not a dime a dozen for the taxpayer

 

Denying blood flow denies oxygen and he said it was neither asphyxiation or strangulation. In a coronary the heart cannot pump blood through the lungs to exchange CO for O2 and then through the rest of the body including the brain. Thus the shortness of breath he felt and ultimately killed him. That started BEFORE he was on the ground.

 

Well you have to submit to the arrest for your due process to start. And the police can use force if you refuse to submit which apparently Floyd had done. THEN he went into cardiac distress which led to his death.

 

Let's wait for the report. "May have" is not declarative. It's speculation.

Both diseases combined with being restrained by the police, plus any potential intoxicants may have contributed to his death.The full ME's report is still pending.

 

I'm absolutely horrified by how many people in the thread are defending the cop's actions. Blech....

 

“My understanding is you’ve got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try to clean up in the aftermath of a handful of protesters — a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place..."

“That is not a protest. It is not a statement. It’s people, a handful of people, taking advantage of a situation for their own purposes — and they need to be treated as criminals..."

“There’s no excuse for the kind of violence that we saw yesterday. It is counterproductive. When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they’re not protesting. They’re not making a statement. They’re stealing..."

Barack Obama after the Baltimore riots.

 

Are you shocked?

They're looking for anything in that autopsy to try and get the smallest punishment possible for this cop.

 

Reference your tag line, the major difference between Democrats and Republicans is, Democrats will claim the rich are evil and if elected will screw the rich over and transfer their money to the needy, then they party with the rich and screw everyone else over, Republicans will claim the rich are a necessary part of the economy and if elected will take of everyone, then then they party with the rich and screw everyone else over.

They are two sides of the same coin and it's a worthless currency.

 

You're making a lot of assumptions which have not been officially verified. The report published yesterday was preliminary and incomplete.

 

the cops were threatened by a mob of hooligans recording with obama phones

this is not an open and shut case.

 

What I am hearing from up there is many of the rioters and looters are not locals, but outsider taking advantage of a crisis.

 

I don't think it's that many, as much as just a few who are repeating their sincere opinion on the matter.

Actually, were it possible to take all the media and political drama away from the picture, I haven't seen the country so united around two opinions in a long time: 1) Chauvin should be jailed for murder/manslaughter, and 2) Destroying property by looting/arson is a highly inappropriate and criminal response.

 

Once you say carp like that, I know all I need to know about where your opinions come from.

 

YUP! The 20 that were arrested were from other states....it's common knowledge that certain groups take advantage of these situations...

I'm sure some of the looters were from MN., ALL cities have gang members and a bad element...but most of the looters and arsonists were from agencies that want to cause chaos..

 

The cops and their enablers are lying in order to get the thug killer cops released and back on the streets to engage in more police brutality.

It seems that not very many have actually learned anything from this incident. If the mass of people don't get a clue they will see the country destroyed before their very eyes.

The bottom line is that it is bad public policy to let cops get away with police brutality against anyone in America for any reason. When such acts are plainly observed the cops must be punished without exception. Anyone who makes excuses for their behavior is contributing to the destruction of the country.

People didn't get upset when a gang of thug cops threw a woman to the floor in a New York city subway station in front of her toddler because she didn't have a mask on but they should have been outraged and flooded the mayor's office demanding that he take corrective action against them.

In the George Floyd incident the killer thug cop who murdered Floyd had a history of brutality complaints. Amy Klobuchar, who wanted to be President, refused to prosecute him for it in the past and now he has gone on willfully murder a man in plain sight and people are still excusing his criminal behavior. The cop that stood by while three of his fellow goons were murdering Floyd also has a record of police brutality that only resulted in a slap on the wrist. Now he is involved in first degree murder.

The county DA has a record of covering up for thug cops and he is doing his best to let the four cops who murdered Floyd get away with it. The FBI will soon release a phony report claiming that the cops were just doing their duty (murdering a black man because it is their real job).

The Chamber of Commerce didn't speak up and now numerous businesses have been destroyed. Wells Fargo didn't speak up and one of their banks got burned down. Target management didn't speak up and they lost a store and had to close others. Small business owners didn't speak up and some got burned out. Mayors and Governors around the country didn't speak up and now their own cities are getting burned. Postal workers didn't speak up and a post office got burned. Some news organizations do report the events but they have not really condemned the thug cops and now the thug cops are attacking them.

Hundreds of millions of citizens haven't spoken up to condemn police brutality and to demand that cops who engage in it are immediately fired and never, ever, rehired as a cop in America.

When a thug cop engages in brutality against anyone in America it is everyone's business and everyone needs to speak up against it or the country will die. This requires a major cultural change and we all need to stop being brain washed from cheering for thug cops in movies and tv shows that glorify thuggish cops.

 

they are like illegal immigrants attacking border patrol, rocks are considered lethal weapons

 

Yet it is pretty clear and we have the video of him standing and already complaining of shortness of breath, cardiac distress, what am I assuming?