Yes Donald. Twitter has the right to fact check you

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, May 29, 2020.

  1. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your utter inability to comprehend the words "Congress shall make no law " is absolutely not surprising.
     
  2. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    To state ones opinion is one thing, but to spread conspiracy theories with no basis behind them because you have animosity toward a tv hoist is another. Maybe if Trump **** off the tv and Twitter, stuff would actually get done in this country and the division wouldn’t be as bad.
     
  3. pol meister

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    Voter fraud is not a conspiracy theory, it's real, especially vote-by-mail. It needs to be addressed and remedied, so Dems can't continue cheating as they have been for many years now.
     
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  4. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    There are various articles that have debunked that voter fraud is enhanced by 'mail-in ballots. It's also been debunked that only blue states do vote by mail.
     
  5. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    I can declare a man to be a genius, even though he isn't. Just as you can declare a matter to be debunked, even though it isn't.
     
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  6. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Your complaint is absurd. Twitter and Facebook and the social media platforms are are an authoritarian mess and you're defending it.

    Censorship which is what these platforms has been doing for years now is never about freedom it's about control.

    You are so twisted up in your rage at Donald Trump that you're siding with one of the technocratic oligarchs.

    You are apologizing for authoritarianism because of personality conflicts.
     
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  7. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    The reverse is true. Trump is fighting for his first amendment rights, whereas twitter is trying to silence Trump.
     
  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No there actually relatively stuck here. They have to tolerate him because if he gets banned number one there's probably going to be a federal case and the seedy underbelly will absolutely be exposed all of their Shadow bannings that they have admitted to will be available for the world to see and they will have no advertisers and it will become defunct.
     
  9. rahl

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    First amendment applies to government punishing the speech of a citizen. Any private platform, such as this very site you are posting on, can and does censor the speech of its members. They have every legal right to do so.
     
  10. TCassa89

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    It's no more a violation of free speech than it is for forums like this one to outright ban people for violating their TOS.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Disagree, Trump better follow their TOS, Trump is not above the rules, if they want to ban him for violating them, they can

    Trump is not entitled to their free service
     
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    now Trump on the other hand is trying to silence twitter via an EO, which could be a first amendment violation
     
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  13. Polydectes

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    Yeah not an argument to my point.
     
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    Ya think ???

    Politifacts is the worse. They have been caught numerous times saying that something wasn't true that simply was true.
     
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    That’s the issue and their lesson: give an inch and he’ll take a mile.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "But it’s no constitutional violation. To begin with, the First Amendment applies to the government — not to private actors like Twitter. So, when the company adds warnings to tweets or even — going a step further for users other than Trump — removes tweets, it can’t possibly violate the First Amendment, because it simply isn’t a governmental entity. You can love or hate how Twitter is regulating its own private platform — but you can’t call it a First Amendment violation.

    Furthermore, when Twitter attaches a warning to a tweet, that constitutes speech of Twitter’s own, which is generally protected under the First Amendment from governmental censorship. Far from violating the First Amendment by speaking on top of Trump’s own speech, Twitter was exercising its First Amendment rights.

    Here’s the irony: While Twitter isn’t using its platform to violate the First Amendment, Trump is. That’s not just our view; it’s what a federal appeals court held in a landmark decision last year. The court ruled that Trump was violating the First Amendment by blocking on Twitter those whose views he disliked."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/28/trump-is-doubly-wrong-about-twitter/
     
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    Yes Donald. Twitter has the right to fact check you
    And he has the right to complain about it. So what?
     
  18. rkhames

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    See, your wrong!! There is no greater violation of free speech then the curtailing it. Twitter, intentionally attempted to control the free exchange of ideas on their website by intentionally convoluting the statement that the President made. Their fact checking was not designed to set the record straight. It was designed to convince the readers that the President was not being true by intentionally linking two separate ideas. Those ideas are Absentee Voting and the Democrats attempt to allow Mail-in Voting for everyone. This is like their constant attempt to link legal immigration with illegal immigration. It is a typical liberal tactic to link an illegal or unsupportable position with the legal and supportable.

    Public Forums that are supposedly designed for the free exchange of ideas should never be involved with attacking posts of opposition opinions. Doing so curtails their the free exchange of ideas, and is known as censorship. Surely, you are not advocating that the only ones that should be allowed to post are those that agree with you. If you are, then we might as well throw out the entire Constitution. If that is what you believe, then your in the wrong country. You maybe more comfortable in China where the government censors the free exchange of ideas.
     
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    Leave it to the Washington Post to back the censorship of Conservative ideas, and do so by misinterpreting an Appeal courts decision that is completely unrelated to the topic at hand. What the Appeal court ruled:

    "Primary Holding
    President Trump engaged in unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination by utilizing Twitter's blocking function to limit certain users' access to his social media account, which is otherwise open to the public at large, because he disagrees with their speech. "

    They ruled that President was using Twitter to blocking certain users from access to social media accounts based on their stated views. Now, they are supporting Twitter doing the same thing on their own. Nothing in the ruling states that Twitter has the right to censor free speech. Nor, does it say anything about the government not having the right to punish companies, and public forums for limiting free speech of others.

    Everyone has the right to limit what they are exposed to. On Twitter they can pick and choose whose tweets they see. So, there is no legal, nor ideological, reasoning for censoring or attacking user's tweets. Even those of a President.
     
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    No of course not, and the president's tweet was not blocked or impeded in any way, the website merely attached a fact check link underneath the tweet, which is something they are allowed to do as a private company. They could even ban people from their platform if they wanted to

    Hell, I've been banned from forums before, and as a private entity they're allowed to do that
     
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    He can complain but he can’t issue executive orders against them. They have no legal weight.
     
  22. struth

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    Sure EOs do. Moreover the EO wasn’t just against Tweeter but on platforms that were protected with immunity against liability. It’s merely enforcing the law and removing the immunity when these groups act as publishers
     
  23. rahl

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    Lawful ones do, sure. This one is not.
    Which he can’t do via executive order. He needs an amendment to do that. And twitter isn’t a publisher, any more than this forum is a publisher. It is a private company. There is nothing trump or anyone else in government can do about them fact checking his bullshit and posting links to them.
     
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    There is nothing unlawful about it.

    trump and Biden disagree with you. He certainly can issue an order asking his DOJ to enforce the law. He doesn’t have to admit the law. Those not acting as publishers are still protected. Twitter is when they editorialize post
     
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    Of course here is.

    Don’t care. If they agree with you, then they are just a incorrect as you are.

    And will be swiftly smacked down by the first court it goes to, as he can’t do what he is trying to.

    Already established that twitter is not a publisher. They can not be prevented by the government from fact checking trumps or anyone else’s posts. The constitution precludes it.
     

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