World uneasily watches US protests

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  1. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    Snopes says that is unproven. Frankly, it's BS, you shouldn't have fallen for it. The Alt Right loves disinformation.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/

    None of them are conservative.

    Forget the name, the last thing they were was Socialist. More dumb propaganda:

    "Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left.

    Some early Nazi leaders, such as Gregor and Otto Strasser, appealed to working-class resentments, hoping to wean German workers away from their attachment to existing socialist and communist parties. Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy

    Unlike much of the European left, many conservatives proved willing to work with Nazis — something they later regretted — an association that tainted postwar European conservatism."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

    Actually, you can't. A lot of ANTIFA guys won't have anything to do with the Democratic party. That brings to mind something else, ANTIFA is historically focused on resisting fascists. Assuming there are ANTIFA guys in there, they ain't really ANTIFA any more..
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Wait until Trump's second term. He WILL do that if he gets one and I guarantee it. Does anyone really doubt he will do that if he thinks he can get away with it? He's coming close to doing it now.
     
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    Ah, didn't say that.
    But yep if he was in a crowd of red neck screamers some of them will get the bug. So self correcting.
    But if your really looking for a difference as you claim, try comparing killing someone with dragging a female protester away.
     
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    I always find the right comments and reactions amusing.
    Hardly that your idol in the White House makes the nonsense to call ANTIFA a terrorist organization, you take over this choice of words. There is only one catch ... there is no uniform organization with leaders and the like at ANTIFA. It is a very relaxed and often only temporary collection of left-wing radicals, often anarchists ... who are more leftist and communist than Lenin or Stalin!
    To classify them as terrorists is ridiculous ... but especially if you don't classify their extreme right-wing, racist and NAZI counterparts in the same way!

    And then your president talks something about the use of the armed forces against the riots ... which you also take over here. Are you aware that the use of US forces inside is practically prohibited under the US Constitution? What's up is the national guard of the states for that, but it is up to the governors and not Trump!

    And then we come to your comment on the Democrats ... of course, your image of the enemy and especially in view of the upcoming elections. It is very strange what you accuse the Democrats here ... because what was it like with Charlottesville? Komsich ... if the Democrats reacted to Trump in their comments, interviews and statements back then, is that all wrong? Come on ...

    And last but not least, I am amazed to see that you are writing this:
    "It has been a long held SCOTUS opinion that the exercise of free speech is not absolute"

    Where is the limit for free speech not to be absolute?
    Sorry, as a German I have to ask that because we have always been of the opinion that "free speech" has its limits ... for example sedition and Holocaust denial does not protect ... and that is why I am here in this forum been attacked by you right-wing americans, e.g. we have state censorship etc.
     
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    Snoops and Washington Post? Stop right there. Come back when you have some credible sources. Snoops has been proven wrong so many times that I am surprised anyone reads the site, and I proved a Washington Post editorial to be wrong earlier today.
     
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    Whining doesn't help.

    Wake me up when you can prove something was wrong.

    What you are saying there is you don't want to believe you got snookered by the kooks. Oh no, it has to be Snopes.

    Suuure...
     
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    This is another load of liberal bupkiss. There are leadership in various areas that ANTIFA operates. They uniformly dresses in hoodies and masks. You don't think someone came up with that dress code? To say they are not a terrorist organization is like saying Al Qaeda (which translates to "the list".) or ISIS is not a terrorist organization because they do not have one single leadership structure. That is BS. Anyone that claims that they are representing ANTIFA while they are committing terrorist activities are in fact ANTIFA. Only an idiot would claim they are something that they really do not support. With this decree, anyone wearing hoodies and masks to hide their identity while conducting a terrorist act can be charged with a terrorist act and a hate crime. That will be mitigating factors for their sentencing. As I also said, BLM should be included in that decree. Are you going to claim that they not an organized leadership too? Maybe if you weren't on the outside looking in, things would look different to you. But then you have the annual summer Muslim uprisings, and you fellow anti-Semites rallies to look forward to. I am sure this will be a busy year for you Germans.

    In this country, you would have the right to free speech, but within limits. The DNC and ANTIFA and BLM are inciting riots and lawless behavior. They are violating their right to free speech by doing things that are not protected under the Amendment. Yet, they want the right to have a public forum to be able to provide factually incorrect fact checking to limit free speech of conservatives. If you can not understand the double standards that they are displaying, then you need to stay where you claim to be.
     
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    See you have that completely wrong. It is you that are citing unreliable and decidedly liberal tainted sources. So, it is you that is being "snookered by the kooks". Not me.
     
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    If you parrot the fake claim, and you believe it based on what you see, then obviously it is not self-correcting. Otherwise you would not been fooled into believing it. Further, yelling in the face of a police officer is not limited to so-called red necks. It also is a far cry from burning down buildings.
     
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    And PF lefties have reposted the misleading pic here, at least 50 time, at least!
     
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    I know Trump has told you you don't need to believe anything you see or hear, but this is silly.
    The cops are standing shoulder to shoulder
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    and Bucky Birdbrain is about 2 heads away.

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    By self correcting I mean some of those guys will have caught the crud from violating the Governors lockdown order.
     
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    I would say the same thing about mainstream mass media extreme leftists. They destroy just as many businesses as Trump. They are both bad. We need to drain many of the Democrats and Republicans from office.
     
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    People might not disappear in the US, but they will get shot in the streets and hung in the jails. While in Britain they get poisoned in hospitals and they do disappear - the Skripals come to mind? Julia's grandmother would love to know where she is, as well as the Russian government.
     
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    Do you imagine we cant see he is yelling at someone BEHIND the cops and we cant see a cropped picture?
     
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    I find it far more disturbing that a black person in the US can be slowly suffocated to death in the middle of the street by people representing the US government, being happy it's being recorded that they are lynching a black man like that, and lots of people on this forum support the killers.... than knowing that some person disappears in China. The Chinese know it's wrong. Hence they do it with a disappearing act.

    If the Venezuelan cops were doing this to American civilians....
    If protests like this would happen against the Iranian government....
    Than suddenly the people who support these racist thugs, would be against this all.
    That's how you know....
     
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    I really don't care which cop he was yelling at. I never said he was yelling at a specific cop. Why do you keep saying I did? Could it be because you wanted me to?

    Cash said he wasn't yelling at the state troopers seen in the photo — "I didn't scream in anybody's face" — but at an officer positioned behind them who he said he saw assault a woman the day before. Three women were removed from the public gallery for the state House of Representatives on April 29. The incident was caught on video, showing a woman being forcibly removed. The incident prompted an announcement by the Michigan State Police that it was investigating the confrontation between individuals and House police.

    But having said that. If I told you I thought I was over COVID it would be okay with you if I yelled at someone over your shoulder?
     
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    Except, according to the autopsy findings that is not what happened. Preliminary findings say that he died of a heart attack due to stress, intoxication and hypertension.
     
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    The local police represent the US government? Wow!

    What planet do you live on?

    Lots of ifs and no buts.

    Take a break. You need it.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    THE GREAT CONSPIRACY THEORY

    There is no Great Conspiracy by which this is happening. If you know how to push the levers of the law, all the above can be investigated. And processed, if necessary, in a court of law.

    What is happening in the US is the release of Great Frustration that has been provoked by the awesome death-count provoked by Covid-19. In Europe, leadership has been direct and functional. In the US, Donald Dork is fiddling his iPhone on Twitter whilst playing "PotUS" at the Offal Office in LaLaLand on the Potomac. Our so-called "government" is Totally Dysfunctional in the midst of a major killer-epidemic!

    Because he's a first-class jerk who hasn't the faintest idea of what to do in a Great Depression inflicted by Covid-19 that has put thousands upon thousands of people out of work.

    Look at history. None of what is happening would be happening if a wholly dysfunctional Electoral College did NOT screw-up (yet again) the popular-vote and put this misfit into the White House. Hillary would have been a far more competent individual to face the maelstrom that has occured in our lives.

    Calm down, look at historical facts lucidly. The US government is dysfunctional. We-the-sheeple have a duty to correct that default in November. Because it is our Right & Duty to select the leaders of this nation. And to oust them when they fail their duties!

    Till next November, then, Happy Sailing (if you can) in this maelstrom that is upon us! No, we the sheeple do not deserve what is happening. But, also, it was by means of a serious defect in our system of governance that provided a wholly-incompetent loser of the popular-vote to gain the White House.

    This present mess began and ends with him - if we get off our collective-duffs in November ...
     
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    In our society it is almost impossible for a sitting PotUS to execute a dishonest act to obtain his/her ends and get away with it.

    When Nixon tried that, you KNOW what happened to him ...
     
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    Blah, blah, blah.

    Go back to Russia. You have no idea whatsoever of how a Functional Democracy works.

    Stupidity is as stupidity says ...
     
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    You are naive in Your Pathetic Reality.

    The only political reality worth mentioning as regards the Head of Any Democracy on earth is what happens on voting-day ...
     
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    The means of impeaching a president are very clear. But, when you have an entire political party majority in the Senate that refuses the facts, then what occurs is what occurred.

    Total Dysfunction of the political apparatus in place. THAT is the Replicant Political Party that American voters elected to the Senate ...

    The US has screwed up the most important lesson to be learned in High School. The one called "CIVICS" ... !
     
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    Sorry to say, but this is another load of BS what you write! Get the facts about your chosen enemy, before you write such mental nonsense as now please!
    WHO IS THE LEADER OF ANTIFA PLEASE? Tell me the name ...

    And again this tota BS about Muslims in my country ... really again now this nonense? O dear ... what fu***ng Muslim summer uprisings please? Whre did you read such mental garbage again?

    Anyway ... nice to see that you give the same reasoning about free speech why we in Germany set limits ... and what was called by you righty Americans censorship and much more worse things in the past in THIS FORUM!
    But about double standards ... I hoope you are not blind on your right eye and ear to see and hear that the same things come form the righty extremists too. This KKK, Nazis, Aryans & Co. scum is minimum the same way bad as ANTIFA and they violate the constitution the same way. Do some fact checking!

    And by the way ... this here is real righty terror attack ... and the reaction of the attacked crowd is more as reasoned!

    https://www.rt.com/usa/490350-minne...notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications

    And please do me the favour to deny that this was a terror attack ... please!
    When any fu***ng Musim did the same by sitting in such a truck, you will be one of the first telling it is a terror act! But if it is a far righty idiot like here ... then the driver is only mental ill as it was said once in Charlottesville!
     
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