Iranian Father Beheads 14 year-old Daughter For Running Away With Boyfriend

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  1. markthan10

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    Another thread to detract from the problems in America!

    These kind of cases are extremely rare in Iran, which is why it produced such universal outrage in the country from all political factions and segments of society. Including Iran's president, Iran's parliament, and Iran's judiciary -- along with media from all factions. And when it happens, as in this case, it will involve someone living in some small village or something.

    The same cannot be said when it comes to the US.

    A quick google search will show the following for the US just this year!

    Chris Watts' daughter's heartbreaking last words before he killed her: 'Daddy, no!'

    Father throws one-year-old daughter off a cliff after stabbing pregnant mother in stomach, police say (May, 2020)

    Calif. Father Arrested After 7-Year-Old Daughter Is Found Dead, and 5 Other Kids Are Taken from Home (May, 2020)

    A man walked into a sheriff's office and said he killed his daughter that day, police say
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    That said, the story did sadden me quite a bit. While some of the descriptions of the murder are a bit exaggerated to fit the propaganda narratives preferred by some, there is no doubt that this 'father' committed a heinous crime, using his farmer's ax to kill his own daughter.

    Here are, incidentally, some pictures of this young girl, her small funeral and the little village where this case happened.
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    How often do they happen in America or Europe, among families who did not come from muslim countries?

    And define "extremely rare", because I could probably go through a list of ten different cases where something like this has happened off the top of my head.
    (In Pakistan, it's almost not even newsworthy, happens so frequently)

    You have to admit, there definitely is a cultural component going on.
     
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    I did a quick search for the US for cases of fathers killing their children and posted the stories I posted. I don't think they involved "Muslims".
    I am not responsible for what exists in your head and whatever nonsense you might have been exposed to. In Iran, the very few cases of this nature reported over many years involve almost exclusively non-Persian, tribal communities, living in the periphery of the country.

    Pakistan and whatever happens has nothing to do with Iran. If there is any common cultural component, it would at most be relevant to the kind of tribal groups I referred to, such as the sunni Baluchi groups living near the Pakistan border. Or some such cases among sunni Kurds or Arab tribal groups living in the opposite periphery of Iran.
     
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    Maybe you missed this:
    www.sullivan-county.com/islam/mothers.htm

    and this:
    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99616128

    and this:
    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/03/09/ny-tv-exec-faces-sentencing-for-beheading-wife/

    and this:
    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/new...-he-believed-she-was-too-americanized-6445842


    To be fair, maybe it's not as common in Iran as it is in other muslim countries.
    I know Iran is considered one of the 'better' countries in the Middle East (which is really saying a lot).

    I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's relatively rare in Iran.
    Though I doubt the incident in the opening post is "just a coincidence".
     
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    Reported by whom? A propaganda outfit linked to the usual suspects? Find me a credible source and then we can talk.

    While, as an Iranian who lived and worked in Iran until very recently, and someone who is a lawyer to boot, I don't need any foreign sources to tell me about Iran, recognizing the nature of the 'propaganda war' against Iran, I was curious how the issue might be reported or covered for western audiences. I did a search on so-called "honor killings" in Iran. I didn't find any of the cases you want to link to Iran, but did find this report about the issue. Despite the typical spin and propaganda informed any anti-regime sentiments, at least it contained some seeds of truth.
    https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...2017/10/26/uk_iran_honour_crimes_oct.2017.pdf
    The sad part of it is that the US government, along with Saudi Arabia and Israel, are the most active supporters of the groups in "Iran's periphery" among whom such things might occasionally occur. In fact, not just sad, but knowing the heinous terrorist acts which they (along with the new terrorist pet of the neocons, called the MEK and operating under the banner "National Council of Resistance", given regular air time by FOX and company) have committed over the years, it is more than sad. It is outrageous and criminal. To have to then hear stories about Iran which emanate from their sources is almost unbearable for me, but that is the nature of the world some have been busy creating!
     
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    Page 24 of this link gives an original source in the footnote.
    https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE130882008ENGLISH.pdf

    on page 25, it goes on to point out that these apparent "suicides" were likely staged by the family.
     
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    The source is a report on "Human Rights Abuses Against Kurds"?? Never mind that AI reports on Iran are based on one sided stories by the kind of folks I mentioned, the report on the issue you allude to states as follows:
    With another footnote!

    Anyway, I have already mentioned that there might some such cases in the non-Persian (and non-Shia), parts of the country in the periphery, which represent different cultural and political dynamics. But these 'reports' are mainly propaganda by those who are part of the problem, not part of the solution. And they don't have much of anything to do with the prevailing cultural norms in Iran.
     
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    That is very possible. The article seemed to suggest as much, though did not clearly say.


    Here's another report about Honor killings in Iran:
    https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/989236/download

    I will admit, parts of the social analysis in the article are probably biased by extreme feminism, since the report was written in Norway.
     
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    All these reports, including the one you now reference, say the same thing in essence, even if they don't want to be clear about it. For instance, the last report you cite:
    Iran has its own prevailing cultural norms and practices, which are different than what you might find acceptable, but shouldn't be confused with the cultural norms and practices of those who are actually fighting Iran. And who have become quite chummy with the US and company to wage their fights!
     
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    Iran 2020 - Some girls are beheaded .. Gays are stoned .. Prisons are full with citizens that said something bad about the Ayatullas .. Etc..
     
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    instead of deflection, how do you feel about the story? Do you feel that he father was justified in his action?
     
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    Justified? I think anyone who even asks the question is sick. Almost as sick as the 'father' who perpetrated this heinous crime against his own daughter.
     
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    again, why not answer the question? Twice now you deflect
     
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    Quick! Give this man US citizenship ASAP so he can vote democrat!
     
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    Leftists refer to it as a "rather late term abortion".
     
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    Yeap ... We noticed that.
    The poor girl also noticed that.
     
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    What you "notice" is dependent on both: 1- what you are capable of noticing; and 2- what you choose to notice.

    Iran has almost nothing to learn from the United States, or anyone else, when it comes to cultural issues. On that I am sure. Persian culture, which sometimes is itself corrupted by the influences by the kind of Wahhabi barbarism America helped its top ally, Saudi Arabia, spread in the region (affecting some of the practices of Iran's Sunni minority communities along the way) and, even more so, the rampant materialism, selfishness, devotion to prurient instincts and interests, taught through western consumerist culture, is the product of not just 2,500 years of rich history, but some of the most profound works in philosophy and literature --- works as true in their teaching today as they were when they were composed and written (usually many centuries ago and in a few instances much earlier than that). Not like the babble rabble that becomes the latest fad in the West, or even the scriptures which dogmatic people in various religious traditions emphasize too much.
     
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    "She's in Love with the Boy." Trisha Yearwood.
     
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    never understood why some religious people kill their own children - Sad!
     
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    the religious nuts are on the right.... not the left
     
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    It is not just religious people who do these things. In fact, I am not familiar with this father's 'religious' upbringing.

    Unlike Iran, where a case like this (at least among the dominant, Persian, Shia, cultural area) is truly rare (I had not heard of anything similar in ages) and for that reason one that touched a huge firestorm of coverage and interests, reaching the top political officials in Iran, including Iran's president, members of Iran's parliament, and the head of Iran's judiciary (who yesterday indicated this 'father' who was arrested immediately and facing charges, will be facing a very stiff punishment for his heinous crime) there are many cases of fathers killing their children in the US each year. Among people of diverse, religious and non-religious, and diverse racial and ethnic, backgrounds.

    Incidentally, while the father in this case deserves the punishment he will get, the 35 year old 'boyfriend' who lured this girl away from home, and who was still in contact with the girl even after the girl had been returned home, is guilty too. He has been arrested and I hope he receives his just punishment too.
     

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