Yes Donald. Twitter has the right to fact check you

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  1. kriman

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    No more private than any other store.
     
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    an internet website is not a public accommodation like a grocery store, hardware store, appliance store or bakery.
     
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    So, a internet website with millions of clients is a private company and a Mom and Pop bakery with a couple of hundred customers is not a private company. Enlighten us on why that is.
     
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    I already have. an internet website is not a public accommodation. A bakery, grocery store, hardware store, appliance store etc is.
     
  5. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I must have missed where you do did that. Request you do it again.. It can't be all that complicated.
     
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    you literally quoted me doing it for a second time. an internet website is not a public accommodation. A bakery, grocery store, hardware store, appliance store etc is.
     
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    Wrong. As usual Twitter will get hammered once they move into the appellate courts. It isn't a bill of atainder when you act like a publisher, you become liable like a publisher.
     
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    I just went through this entire thread and read every one of your posts. You have not explained why tweet is any more a private company than any other store.
     
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    you just quoted me for a 3rd time doing exactly that. stop trolling.
     
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    You have failed to explain what makes Tweet a private company. Just having conditions required for use does not do that. I went to a restaurant yesterday which had a sign on the door which said "You must wear a mask at all times inside the restaurant, except while eating." Does that make it a private restaurant? Many businesses say you must wear a shirt and shoes. Does that make them a private business.

    As far as trolling goes, you quoted me first and responded to everyone of my responses. You can stop anytime
     
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    I've shown you this 3 times now, and you've quoted me doing it all 3 times. Internet platforms are not public accomodations. Grocery stores, restaurants, bakeries, and hardware stores are. you are trolling.
     
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    What makes Tweet private when these others are not? They all have restrictions which the customers must comply with.

    Stop trolling me. I responded to one of your posts over twelve hours ago and none since and then you accuse me of trolling you.
     
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    one is a public accommodation, the other is not.

    stop trolling and i'll stop pointing it out. I answered the same question you asked 4 times now.
     
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    So is Tweet.
    Stop trolling me. You quoted me first and have repeatedly quoted me. You are the one doing the trolling. You are just not capable of defending your position and want me to quit pointing it out.
     
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    twitter is not a public accommodation.

    I've answered the same question you posed to me 4 times. you quoted me answering it 4 times, and said I didn't answer it. you are trolling. I've defended my position repeatedly, by pointing out constitutional law. I can't understand it for you.
     
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    Constitutional law does not make it a public or private company. You have defended your position only by claiming you have already defended your position.

    My number of responses are equal to your number of responses. If you answer one more time, your number of responses will exceed mine. If you answer one more time, you are trolling.

    All you have to do is to stop trolling me and I will quit responding to your trolls.
     
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    no, I've defended my position by pointing out constitutional law. Your comprehension of it is your problem.

    asking me the same question over and over, while quoting the answer I've already given to that question is trolling.
     
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    Stop trolling me.
     
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    I've shown how and why you are the one trolling, and continuing to do so.
     
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    If you do not stop, I will report you to the RCMP.
     
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    you're going to report me for showing you how and why you are trolling? lol, ok.
     
  22. kriman

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    Yep. Anytime you can expect them to ride in on their white horses wearing their red uniforms. A truly fearsome bunch.
     
  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    You obviously do not understand the first amendment. 1a protects Twitter, Not Trump. 1a looks at 'the press' as the speech source, not it's writers and contributors. If you speaking on public land, or a government sponsored publication or media, then 1a protects the speech source, which, in this case, would be you. If you submit something to a news org, and they publish it, 1a's rights extend to the publisher, not you. The first amendment protects individuals right to free speech, unless you are contributing to the press, then that right extends to the press. "Twitter" would be constitutionally thought of as "the press", it's a private enterprize that has contributors which it publishes. Publishers are 'press'. Take another look at the wording of the first amendment.

    The President EO is unconstitutional. Ignore it with impunity. It has no legal force.

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/...-key-law-promoting-free-expression-online-and

    And, it's being challenged in court

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/2/21278517/donald-trump-twitter-executive-order-lawsuit-challenge
     
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    You need better sources of information. The President's Executive Order curtails the protections afforded to interactive computer services under section 230 of the Communication Decency Act. That section allowed Interactive computer services to remove material that they found to be harmful or offensive as long as these services were acting in good faith. That is not what Twitter did to the President. They added tweets in response to a tweet that the President made. The topic was about mail in voting. Twitter tried to fact check the President's tweet by linking unrelated posts in support of Absentee voting. They are two separate subjects. In this case, Twitter was moderating political speech. Not offensive, or criminal speech as the Communication Decency Act was intended for. It is questionable whether section 230 would have protected Twitter. They were not attacking offensive or criminal material. They also were not acting in good faith. This is because they tried to convoluting the issue by linking it to a different issue.
     
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    The president has no authority to do this. The EO, therefore, has no legal force.
    The first amendment protects Twitter from Trump, it does not protect Trump from Twitter.
    Your premise is moot, because 1a protects Twitter's first amendment rights. The president cannot force Twitter to publish anything by anyone, including the president, and the first amendment gives Twitter the right to control it's content.

    There is considerable precedent and if there are lawsuits, Twitter will win.

    And

     
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