Thoughts on Minneapolis and the riots

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    You are deluding yourself if you think that justice is served when cops go bad. I've heard that something like 75% of non traffic police stops are unnecessary. If you look at the police blotter of most precincts you will see that most of the entries are suspicious character or activity, which is police code for stopped and harassed someone. If there was a crime they would have said so, or even the suspicion if a crime. Suspicious character requires no underlying crime.


    You know the antiFa is a leaderless organization. The power structure is little more than a couple of fast approaching middle aged women and a web site that doesn't get updated all that often. Messaging is mostly peer to peer.

    I heard this story that I think is rather fitting. The Rose City AntiFa has strong feminists leanings and they have worked to out racist cops. So, there was this one cop who had a habit of being rather bothersome to homeless people. Several homeless women had claimed that he had sexually assaulted them. But since the women were homeless, and most likely a drug user with a criminal history, the cop mostly got away with it. Apparently a group of the antiFa surveiled him while a young woman was recruited to act as bait. So when he went to sexually assault her, he was caught in the act, and that was the end of him.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    In the US, antiFa began in Portland in a successful effort to prevent a skinhead group from establishing a home base in Portland. They are nothing like the nuts who disrupt funerals or the KKK. The antiFa are those who stand up to the KKK and others like them. Their battle cry is, "Hate, not in my town".

    The antiFa are those who stand up in opposition to racists and fascists. They are the opposite of the KKK, they stand in defiant opposition to the KKK and groups like it.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Fruedian skip?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    We know the drill, sit down, shut up, and do what you are told. How dare you accuse the nice wonderful boys in blue of abusing their power. Respect authority!
     
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    In my college years I played in a bar band during breaks from school. I kind of got into working the crowd. As such I read up on certain things. One I always remember was a section of a book that told how to incite a riot. In a large crowd, it only takes a few, to get the whole crowd going. One game I like to play is to go to a protest or march with a couple of friends. As protests go, people get into chanting. So you get together with your friends and come up with a dumb saying that may or may not be funny. Something that is easy to chant. So then, as the crowd is chanting something else, you and your friends begin your chant. If you separate out enough it gives some the sensation that many are saying it, and as most tend to be followers, eventually you can get most the crowd to chant whatever you want. This also works well at sporting events.
     
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    You are deluding yourself if you think that this incident is representative of the norm, or that good cops don't vastly outnumber the bad, or that the system doesn't work as hard as it can to maintain order while respecting, as best it can, violent sociopaths who don't believe the laws apply to them.

    The "system" isn't malfunctioning, other than being far too lenient with the mobs of thugs looting and burning our cities.
     
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    Yeah, we need more looting and burning. Got a match?
     
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    It is true that many people can be herded like sheep- and treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed manure.
    That's what we're seeing on the streets right now. The people actually doing the herding and the feeding aren't out there at risk however.
     
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    Has anyone else noticed that more and more, Fox news is wording it's articles in such a way as to undermine the President?

    Sometimes subtle, sometimes not. But more and more it seems the editorial style offers an anti-President bias, even when it's not called for.
     
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    Slaves are property.



    I read the Bible once, cover to cover. I think religious people are nuts.

    A few years back I worked on a project out of the mayor's office, studying the homeless. I noticed that a lot of the homeless seemed to value these little Bibles that the church ladies would hand out. After awhile it all made sense. The pages were just the right size that if cut in half was the perfect size for a rolling paper. The paper was of such a quality, that if licked, would stay together long enough to smoke a cigarette or joint.
     
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    Consequences are the primary teaching tool of life.
    A judge I knew long ago was discussing justice with me, as we often did, and asked me a question.

    "Do you ever see anyone kick a possum?" Me- Well- yes I have.
    "Did you ever see anyone kick a bear?" Me- No, I haven't.
    "Do you know why?" Me- I think I do, but what do you think?

    "Because the possum will let you get away with it, but the bear will kill you.
    That's the power of consequences- when there are none, people who lack character are abusive.
    When there are, they think about that and behave themselves."

    I was thinking that if all these stores looted and burned had a sign in the window stating that if you break in you will be shot, and guards on duty inside with plenty of 00 buckshot-
    most of the looters would have quickly become "law abiding citizens".
     
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    And the lesson you took away was that the Bible is crazy, and only useful for smoking drugs?

    Maybe you missed the lesson that people who have no faith in a higher power become homeless drug addicts.
     
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    You say "I've heard that something like 75% of non traffic police stops are unnecessary." Really? And you actually believe that is true? I think about my own driving. I typically drive around 5mp over the speed limit and sometimes I inadvertently go a lot higher than that. And then you look at the number of accidents caused by high speed and inattention, texting or on the phone while driving. I would say that it is more like the police do not stop people enough.
     
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    And yet, if I remember correctly, you go to church on a regular basis with your parents. Maybe, I am not remembering correctly.
     
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    My thoughts a bunch of self-centered bastards decided George Floyd's death didn't matter because they wanted to steal TVs and burn ****.

    Way to steal attention away from something that needs to be addressed.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Meanwhile in blue states honest citizens can't get justice. And criminals rape and pillage them without mercy. And liberals sit in there gated communities with self congratulatory smiles on their faces talking about how wonderful they are...
     
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    I feel like i'm reading the unabombers diary here. Or maybe john does from Se7en.
     
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    Sure. If you believe in slavery and "might makes right."

    I don't.
     
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    do not agree, antiFa is becoming as hateful as the kkk, not there yet, but getting there

    if all white racists and all black racists magically disappeared from the planet tomorrow, would any of us shed a tear...
     
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    There is no difference between Antifa, or the KKK.....both formed as terrorist wings of the Dem Party. Both use violence as a means to suppress the views of others they disagree with....Antifa might not be racist....but their tactics of violence, and intolerance is on par
     
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    You're gonna get mail, LOL.
     
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    I was horribly abused as a child. Every Sunday my parents would wake me up way too early and make me dress up in an outfit I did not want to wear, with shoes that were stiff and uncomfortable. All without the benefit of breakfast, they shuffled us kids into the car and off to church. We would sit there for what seemed like hours while some guy droned on in some weird language (Latin) I did not understand. Eventually they switched to English, but to me, most of it just came off as mindless ritual. A lot of times I would pass the time doing things like counting the rows of pews and counting numbers of people in the pews and calculating the number of people in the church. I would also make calculations in my head, like the percentage of time that had passed, or just observe the structure and think about the way buildings are put together. The best part was communion because the little quarter sized cracker was the first thing I’d eat that morning. Once mass was over we got a little break before we were shuffled off to catechism, for an hour of religious instruction. When catechism was over we would often end up hanging around a couple more hours as the adults talked on and on. Often it would be past 2 o’clock before I’d get anything to eat. I used to hate the fact that I was forced to spend the greater part of my Sundays participating in a religion that at least by kindergarten I was thinking was nothing short of lunacy. It wasn’t just Sundays as at each meal, I was not allowed to eat until a ritual prayer was recited. The crazier times was the occasional times we would go to a Baptist mega church. If I thought the Catholics were a bit off, I thought that the Baptists were absolutely out of their minds.

    One year my parents wanted to send us to a Bible day camp during the summer. They even sent a bus around to pick up kids in the morning and drop them off in the afternoon. I thought I would go nuts. It was little more than day long religious indoctrination disgusted as fun and games. It was so horrible that I refused to go the next day. Instead, I convinced my mom to send me to a coed tennis camp, which turned out to be extremely more enjoyable and more beneficial to my development as a human being.

    I also was sent to a Catholic school. I probably got a better education than if I went to a public school. But then other than the morning prayers that included the pledge of allegiance, there really was no religious instruction in the classroom. I even first learned about evolution and the Big Bang in a Catholic school classroom. But the Catholic culture was everywhere.

    Ever since my parents divorced when I was 17, I have not been to a church except for weddings and funerals.
     
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    Then it must have just been bad grammar that made your sentence say exactly the opposite of what you intended.
     

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