What are they protesting for?

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Officer Chauvin has been arrested and charged with 3rd murder and 2nd degree , manslaughter and the other officers are awaiting charges as Ellison now takes over the investigation and said today he expects charges to be filed it's just a matter of which UNDER THE LAW not on the emotions of the mob. What more do they want there?

    The "racial disparity" the "racist enforcement by police". That blacks are in more danger from police? Well not so fast.

    The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
    Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

    .......This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.



    In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

    The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.......
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

    The writer goes on to not the number of blacks killed on a single weekend in Chicago by other blacks. Where is the outrage over that.

    And to back up this data she refers to the study done by the National Academy of Science which found
    “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,”

    That it has to do with how frequently police encounter violent suspects within racial groups.

    She notes how a 2015 Justice Department study of the Philadelphia police force found white officers were less likely to shot an unarmed black suspect than black or hispanic officers.

    Then Harvard Economist Roland G. Freye's research again finding no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings and that any evidence to the contrary did not take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

    So what are they protesting, what do they want to change? No more police? No more laws? The strongest survive on the weakest?
     
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    https://reason.com/2020/03/27/pande...and-shutdowns-are-a-recipe-for-social-unrest/

    "Around the world, high unemployment and stagnant economic activity tend to lead to social unrest, including demonstrations, strikes, and other forms of potentially violent disruptions. That's a huge concern as forecasters expect the U.S. unemployment rate in the months to come to surpass that seen during the depths of the Great Depression."
     
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    What I gather is, if Black, and you don't want to do what the police tell you to do they "Cops" are to let them go, if, they promise to never do it again!
     
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    Blacks have been enjoying the lowest unemployment since records have been kept along with the biggest gains in income. Now they have destroyed that economy that employed them as it was just trying to reopen and they will have no jobs and no where to shop. That sure sounds like a great way to protest.

    But quite frankly I have NOT seen any of these protesters holding signs up that say GIVE ME A JOB or people breaking windows to get into businesses so they can fill out job applications can you point me to them? Hey come give me a job after I loot and burn down your business and it you don't then you are racist and I am oppressed. Yeah that's a great protest.
     
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    "Blackshave been enjoying the lowest unemployment since records have been kept along with the biggest gains in income."

    That's past tense unemployment is over 15% RIGHT NOW.....

    Question have you ever transferred emotions about one thing into other knowingly or unknowingly? Like for example, you fight with your wife so the next confrontation from anyone your more anger because of the fight you had with your wife.
     
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    Here's what I gather, historical trends show that high unemployment rates give way to civil unrest. Now Congress could do something to curb it but they'd rather save 50 cents to see 1 dollars worth be burnt up....

    I'm not getting into it from a racial point of view but clearly to talk about this topic and not talk about sky high unemployment is either naive or purposefully misleading
     
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    "Small businesses, meanwhile, continue to struggle. Despite the availability of government loans under the Payroll Protection Program, many small business won’t re-open. Business with fewer than 50 workers employ 46% of all working Americans, so unemployment is likely to remain at very high levels for a long time. Minority workers are less likely to be re-employed."

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/the-economics-of-civil-unrest/
     
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    "But still economists warn the worst has yet to come, and that US unemployment will keep surging, approaching the level which can trigger social unrest. Historically speaking, it is not uncommon to see violent clashes erupt amid high unemployment levels. During the 1992 Los Angeles riots, the unemployment rate in South Los Angeles was near 50 percent. In 1933, during the Great Depression, the highest figure was 24.9 percent. And this time around the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis has predicted the US unemployment rate could reach 32 percent."

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1184938.shtml

    And with all that being known for months here's McConnells take

    "We're taking a careful look at a fourth and final bill," McConnell said. "You could anticipate the decision being made on whether to go forward in about a month. And it will be narrowly crafted, designed to help us where we are a month from now, not where we were three months ago."
     
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    Along with everyone else. And that's about a global pandemic how is this "protesting" supposed to solve that and have yet to see any protesters protesting the virus can you point me to them? I tend to have better control of my emotions and don't go out and burn and loot other people's property.
     
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    So this is all about unemployment and those people were really breaking into those businesses seeking jobs.

    Please get back on topic, this isn't about the economy.
     
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    I've been out of work and did not go out and burn and loot businesses. And make the intellectual argument that the solution to that is to loot and burn down local businesses.

    And I note you have failed to address the topic of the OP, the myth of the systemic racial police actions. Want more and better jobs, stop the crime.
     
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    Realistically, the Democratic party has the Black exactly where they want them, poor, dependent on monthly allowance's and pocketed in ghetto's.. It truly is about race with the DNC, they use the leverage of it in every election at every level of politics!
     
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    Topic OP was riots right? Pretty sure I did address it.

    You are an indication of how everyone will/ should respond? That evidence beats historical evidence that says high unemployment equals high unrest
     
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    Huh I'm perfectly on topic....
     
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    So you dont acknowledge that high unemployment leads to high civil unrest?
     
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    What are they protesting for? They're out there to demand their right to loot and demolish, to burn and to kill. Maybe 10% of them are protesting George Floyd's unnecessary death but for the rest of them it's a party.
     
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    I've quite clear in what I said and that no I don't think these riots are about unemployment the last 8 weeks. I'm still waiting for you to shoe the pictures of the signs about jobs or the looters filling out job applications once they break in.
     
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    Employment is not the topic.
     
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    And more, if it is a about racially disparate treatment by police they they are rioting on a false premise

    Good Policing Saves Black Lives
    A report by Harvard’s Roland Fryer shows that when the cops pull back, homicides increase.

    ...In 2016 Mr. Fryer released a study of racial differences in police use of deadly force. To the surprise of the author, as well as many in the media and on the left who take racist law enforcement as a given, he found no evidence of bias in police shootings. His conclusions have been echoed by researchers at the University of Maryland and Michigan State University, who in a paper released last year wrote: “We didn’t find evidence for anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparity in police use of force across all shootings, and, if anything, found anti-White disparities when controlling for race-specific crime.”

    Mr. Fryer said in an interview that the new paper is an extension of his earlier research. Although it seemed clear to him that racial disparities in police shootings stemmed primarily from racial disparities in criminal behavior, police departments continued to be investigated, and he suspected these investigations weren’t having the intended effect. In fact, he noticed what he suspected was a pattern that warranted further study. After surveying more than two dozen federal and state probes of police departments across the country, the pattern became clear. When police were investigated following incidents of deadly force that had gone viral, police activity declined and violent crime spiked. It happened in Ferguson, Mo., after Michael Brown was shot by an officer. It happened in Chicago after a cop gunned down Laquan McDonald. And it occurred in Baltimore after Freddie Gray died in police custody.....

    ...Protesters have decided to vilify the police. Rioters have decided to take advantage of the protests. And the media have expressed little interest in putting this tragedy in context. The activists tell us that what happened to George Floyd is commonplace and racially motivated, but the empirical evidence points in the opposite direction. Camera phones and social media may give fatal encounters between cops and black suspects more attention, but anecdotes are no substitute for hard data.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/good-policing-saves-black-lives-11591052916?mod=opinion_featst_pos3
     
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    Only in the First World. In the Third World people don't riot and loot .. they build their little shanty, keep it clean, look after their kids, stay married, and get on with things to the best of their ability in very difficult circumstances.
     
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    Riots are and there is a clear like between unemployment and civil unrest... Why do you want want to address that?
     
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    "
    What Is Transference?
    Understanding transference in psychology can be a difficult concept to grasp. In psychology, transference is described as a situation that occurs when an individual's emotions and expectations toward one person are unconsciously redirected toward another person."

    https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/psychologists/understanding-transference-in-psychology/
     
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    Layman's terms ,you can have an underlying anger about job prospects and not know that's why your so upset about george floyd.

    It's called transference.....
     
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    When, I don't recall riots and looting and burning when unemployment hit 10% under Obama.

    This is about the myth of police racism, the riots and looting now are about police racism, you've yet to show any of these protest based on unemployment. So get back on topic.
     
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    Show me the pictures of these rioters and looters and arsonist demanding jobs.
     

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