Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization

Joe - We are talking about my definition- and my words - not that which I was critiquing - go now - unless you have something of interest to say.

 

So you have some other esoteric definition of terrorism?

I don't know. I doubt it's white supremacists they aren't statistically significant.

 

I didn't suggest any of the above but interesting point you bring up !? You and I both know that there are many different kinds of terrorism - many terrorist groups behave differently - and have different agendas.

The question here is 1) what do we define as terrorism - and 2) what do we define as a terrorist group.

I used to terrorize my younger brother when we were kids ... does that count ? Everyone will have a different idea of where that line is .. and as it turns out there is no universally recognized "legal definition" - I posted the UN defn early on in the thread - critiqued it - others have posted a US legal definition.

My only comment with respect to what definition one should adopt is .. "Be Consistent" ..

Notice that as soon as one states what their preferred definition to 1 and 2 is... Their position will most often be contradicted.

I state a possible definition - very simplistic .. in the OP. .. should probably expound on that at some point.. my definition would not include Antifa .. nor does the UN definition. ..

but what is your definition ? of 1) and 2) .. and please do not adopt some nations legal definition (that you likely read for the first time) .. what is "YOUR" definition .. as a human being on this planet with your own mind ... por favor.

 

Was Dayton Mass Shooter a Self-Described ‘Pro-Satan Leftist Who Supported Elizabeth Warren’?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dayton-shooter-warren/

Connor Betts: Twitter Posts on Being a Leftist, Guns
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

Twitter account that appears to belong to Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

Now, let's see you acknowledge that the POS was an antifa supporter.

 

Good post.

Notice as well that Antifa has nothing to do with most of the looting .. property destruction .. and so on. The vast majority of protesters - and people in the "movement" - BLM - Antifa - and various other names who were also protesting - were peaceful. Tarring "Antifa" with the whole brush is absurd.

This movement is not just about Antifa - and like with Anti Establishment movement - radical elements in society are going to take advantage.

There are few "Civilized" nations in the world where once the perp is in cuffs and on his belly on the ground - with 3 other officers present- that the fellow does not make it alive into custody.

Especially for minor things .. passing a fake 20 ... selling individual cigarettes. Not good.

 

"Looting Left" - That does ring true and good for a chuckle .. but this is a serious conversation. The idea that the people doing the looting and other criminal activities - are representative of the average Dem ? .. you are way out of bounds.

 

That is the question that has stumped the 75% .. asked it a number of times now.. "Silence" The Stumper.

Like it was Antifa members that went out and did all the looting and property destruction. Most of those folks don't know squat about Antifa .. more worried about where the next meal is coming from .. and if you can scoop up some free lego blocks from "the Man" .. who is the wiser.

 

Well shot arrow IMO .. I believe it is bad law/legislation that is the root cause.. That which increases Gov't /Police power while trampling essential liberty... at plague proportions in this nation.

And who gets hammered hardest by this . the marginalized .. Cops have way too much power in some ways .. and way too little in others !?
They have much power to do the bidding of "the State" .. little power to object to and or criticize what they are bid to do.

In any case - Cops are just people - and people are egotistical, controlling, corrupt, and downright nasty in general - power corrupts and more power corrupts more. When the attitude is more like stormtroopers than peace keepers .. things may have gone too far.

 

The FBI has done an investigation into the violence in DC and was unable to find any connection to antifa.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/tnamp/

 

You are misinformed.

 

Your knowledge base is inaccurate.

 

And even if they drummed up one Antifa member who did something bad ... so what .. it means nothing

When this is in other countries .. and opportunities like this present themselves - often it is our guys who are doing false flags ! We are the Experts ...

 

I agree. And I wouldn’t put it past the FBI to manufacture reasons to go after radical groups. To me it shows that the FBI doesn’t see anti-fascism as any sort of threat to national stability. Hell, I figured antifa had disappeared until this administration started blurting the name out for a scapegoat.

 

Not saying they did here - and they would not need to - plenty going on all on its own .. but .. it is not like they have not done it in the past.

This was far to big to be blamed solely on "Antifa" or any of the numerous other groups. There is a clear problem going on - and there is a large movement pushing back against this problem.

Illegitimacy of authority is rampant - this begets rebellion against authority - which is seldom pretty.

 

so why didn't they provided that said report if they have it?

 

Talk to the person that posted the link. It matters not though - the idea that these looters are all "Antifa" is abject nonsense.

 

Your posts have been reduced to mumbling gibberish ? Share this wonderful knowledge that you have - or at least state what you think is inaccurate and why

Running around crying "NO NO NO" is not an argument for much.

 

Fine, in the meantime can we agressively pursue and punish these loosely associated a-holes by any and all legal means, even perhaps some fishy ones?

Assuming you dont think they are out doing the lords work or something.

 

Thanks for your opinion.

 

Wasn't opinion. Was a simple statement of fact.

An argument consists of 2 things

1) Premise or Claim
2) support for claim or rational that shows claim is true.

In 2 posts you had 1... but not 2) .. which is not an argument for anything.

 

There is no point, at all, to making arguments here. Some poster will post some idiotic nonsense, and fourteen other posters will prove them wrong. It doesn't matter. You can draw elaborate diagrams, with circles and arrows, you can connect all of the dots. The propagandists don't care. They keep coming back with the same crap that has been proven, beyond any doubt, dozens of times to be false.

Arguing with them is a complete waste of energy.

 

Get serious - What is idiotic nonsense is the folks blaming "Antifa" for this whole mess - and the dots are ridiculously simple to connect.

 

If you push for a political agenda through violence and fear.. you are the exact definition of a terrorist.

Thats simple English people.

 

Is anyone blaming the Antifa-terrorists for everything? Sorry, but I haven't seen that.

They, and other leftist groups, and common hooligans, and other criminals are doing this.

Simply because the Antifa-terrorists aren't the only ones creating chaos doesn't absolve them of blame. "Everyone else is doing it, so why can't I?" is no justification.

 

This is one of those situations where the liberals deny that something isn't happening and then are forced to rationalize it after it's proven that it's really happening without apologizing or admitting that they were wrong all along.