Police Reform

So we keep hearing about how these protests are over injustice to blacks by police so they want to reform the police in this country.

What exactly does that mean? How would we reform the police? Please no existential answers like “they should listen better” or something like that. What specific changes can we make to the police to appease everyone?

Keeping in mind that police officers are already severely understaffed, underpaid and already attract people who are not the best and the brightest.

 

You identified several issues yourself.

Fix those...fix training...do something about the "us v them" mentality

 

New York city starting pay $42,500,after 51/2 years $85,292 which can easily reach $100,000 with O.T.

 

Disband the police and let the civilian populace police themselves. Not serious of course but you do hear of leftist nutjobs in California trying to defund their PD's..

 

And that 100K allows one to rent a one bedroom studio apt with a private bath in NYC.

 

https://smartasset.com/mortgage/what-is-the-cost-of-living-in-new-york-city

 

Something tells me “pay them more money” and “hire more cops” are not on the list of demands by the left

And the “us v them” mentality concept is one of those existential things I was referring to. How do we change the us v them mentality?

 

Training. Weeding out bad apples. Effective responsible leadership

 

Democrats love the lynch mobs, that's why they started the KKK.

 

Daniel Tosh has the solution (tongue in cheek)

 

That's why liberal democrat states are running deficits, their public sector unions have gorged themselves on the public dime.

Well, unions are all about the "us vs them". If the union believes they are being paid enough, the "them" is the citizens of the city where the police operate who are trying to get their budget in check.

 

Not allowed in leftist cities because the unions who fun elections for democrats wont allow anyone to be fired. Losing an officer means the union loses a person paying into the union.

 

How do you expect to weed out bad apples when we don’t pay them enough to not be bad apples

 

Except that it's not just liberal democrats states that are running deficits due to public sector unions.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/10/15/every-states-pension-crisis-ranked/40302439/

 

Good info, thank you. Its really sad to see how bad public sector unions have really screwed up this country.

 

How else do you entice people to become police, fire and teachers? The low pay certainly isn't going to do it. Great benefits is what helps. So, we either pay them more up front (and take away pension) or we continue to pay them less but have them pay into their pensions where the cost is shared. But of course, paying them more upfront requires more money. How do we get more money? Raise taxes. I know I'm not a fan of paying higher taxes. So what do we do? Someone already pointed out "police officers are already severely understaffed, underpaid and already attract people who are not the best and the brightest." If we take away pensions and don't increase pay, what kinds of people do you think we'll get then?

 

You will always have a condition where some people excuse themselves for bad behavior- they blame the cop who catches them rather than the act they were arrested for.
They want the cop to come running when they need them.... stay the hell away otherwise, especially when they are the perpetrators. You see signs in the streets now saying "Defund the police".... while we are burning and looting the stores around us.

I'm thinking that if they don't like the police, they are going to like the armed private vigilantes that would replace even less, because there would be a lot of "summary judgments", meaning looters shot on sight.

People will kick a possum off the porch- because the possum will tolerate it.
They don't kick bears, because the bear will not.
They are looting and burning for two reasons- First, they are thugs without character or value, and second- because we are tolerating it.
When the guy who breaks out the front window and and jumps in gets blown back out with a buckshot blast, no body will follow.
No consequences- no control. Simple as that.

When the "them" side of the equation refuses to hold it's ground, the "Us" side will take advantage. You are seeing it on the news every night now.

 

Still under paid when you consider what the tax payers are giving Nancy P and AOC

 

People resist effective, common sense solutions.

REMOVE INTERNAL AFFAIRS

Instead, create elected civilian review boards that review Police actions and make changes accordingly.
Allowing Police to "Internally" investigate and correct themselves is like giving felons the keys to the prison gates and guard towers.
You REALLY expect corrupt Policing Departments to correct themselves? Seriously?

 

Trying to pin the reformers down to actual practical specifics is a fool's errand.

 

IF people would regulate themselves honestly, we would not have thousands of rioter looting and burning our cities right now.
That is exactly what happens when you remove the regulatory forces of law and order. They are proving it right now.
The death of Floyd George was an opportunity to loot; that is the legacy of his memory. And George was hardly a person of good character and citizenship; he was an ex-con who did 5 years in a Texas prison for armed home invasion, and was arrested in Minneapolis because he was passing counterfeit money.

The people really responsible for the massive damage are generally not being arrested or stopped, and those who are arrested are immediately released. Those associated with George's death will be thrown under the bus without the usual due process, in order to appease the criminals who are burning America.

Only and idiot or an anarchist wants that kind of world. People aren't ever going to be perfect, no matter what their position. We do need to respond appropriately- but mobs of raging, looting terrorists in our streets makes it clear that the public is totally unwilling and unqualified to police itself or have direct control over the police actions.

 

But we already KNOW for a fact this will never happen.
Great idealism. But rather poor realism.

People WILL NOT regulate themselves honestly. Ever. unless they are forced to do so.
Unfortunately, that is human nature for too many human scum.

You do understand that those wanting to topple the Great Capitalist Freedom "Experiment" are delighted to see the anarchy and discord?
People like Ocasio Cortez want to see America fall just as leftist were able to do in Venezuela. They seem to be dissatisfied with stability and crave suffering and anarchy. It appears to be just wicked and hateful.

 

Do you think that $100,000 dollars is a lot of money in NYC?

 

Two videographers with excellent portable equipment in every police car -- well worth the additional salaries and costs.

 

You aren't telling me anything I wasn't already saying. The idea we regulate ourselves is a goal- not idealism, and it will never be totally achieved. But the quality of our society hinges on that being as common a value as possible. The more of us that accept that responsibility, the easier regulation gets, and the less the need of police to enforce it.

The more we tolerate abuse from the scum pretending to be citizens- the more abuse they will dish out. These are not people you can negotiate into good behavior- so the need for social control will always exist. How much depends on how well we discipline ourselves, how much abuse we will tolerate from those who won't.