Virginia governor to announce removal of Lee statue

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    Once the South seceded, claims of US ownership of property within the confines of the South was void, since these properties now resided in a foreign country.. The South did try to compensate the US for the property, but was rejected.
     
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    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    After secession, the Confederacy was no longer a part of the US.
     
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    The South had sworn to uphold the Constitution. They abandoned their oaths, rebelled, and tried to confiscate Federal property. They used lethal force to do so. Again, all while trying to abandon their legal duties in order to preserve slavery.
     
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    A dubious claim.
     
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    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    The South had no legal duties to the US once it seceded.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Again, a dubious claim, at best.
     
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    Secession was not made illegal until 1869. So much for being dubious.

    While the US does not offer its citizens the right of secession, it does recognize it with other nations.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama granted U.S. recognition of South Sudan as an independent state after it formally seceded from the north on Saturday.

    "I am proud to declare that the United States formally recognizes the Republic of South Sudan as a sovereign and independent state upon this day, July 9, 2011," Obama said. "Today is a reminder that after the darkness of war, the light of a new dawn is possible."
     
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    Secession was done to preserve slavery. By 1860 Southern politicos looked at the demographics in the country and saw the writing on the law. Knowing they could no longer protect their "peculiar institution" at the national ballot box they did the only thing they could do to preserve it - secede.

    Let's be honest here. Southerners knew that secession meant war, and that's why it was so unpopular here in Virginia. The people here knew the fighting would take place in their front yards and the only ones who had a lick if sense were the ones out west who parted ways with the idiots in Richmond and formed their own state.

    It's important to note that by the time the confrontation at Fort Sumter took place the lead was already flying in Kansas.

    No one person on either side was responsible for starting that war, but if you're looking for some individuals to blame look no further than war mongers on both sides who were clamoring for bloodshed - people like John Brown and Edmund Ruffin. Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis didn't want war but people like Brown and Ruffin did.
     
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    Are you kidding me?

    Nobody is skirting responsibility for anything. The cop has been arrested. Who here has suggested he shouldn't have been? Care to back up that ridiculous accusation (we all know you can't)?

    Many people will be arrested for various things related to the riots. Will the officer who was arrested be charged with anything related to the riots?....no, of course not. Regardless of what he did and what you think about it, he didn't make people riot, they made that decision all themselves. The left chooses to destroy, the right chooses civility. It's been that way for quite awhile now and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon.

    You are trying, as all lefties do, to excuse behavior by the left. You are justifying/excusing the riots and it's pathetic. You're making excuses for those who are destroying businesses, peoples livelihoods, etc.

    Just because there was a trigger incident, does NOT EXCUSE THE RIOTS.

    There's generally a reason behind all crimes. According to you I guess they should all be excused?....
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thats a long rant to answer yes to my question.
    The rest is a strawman (or outright lie) so I won’t bother with a response.
     
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    Translation: "I can't respond so I won't try"

    and lol at strawman/lie. If it was you'd respond or at least point it out.

    You got called out on a ridiculous statement and now you're trying to insult your way out of it. Keep it up, it's entertaining.
     
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    And now gaslighting, entertaining indeed...
     
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    You're siding and making excuses for people destroying cities...but you go on thinking your right here.

    And that's a 2nd straight post where you've avoided responding to what I said (as expected, but still). We're done here. You had nothing to say and have resorted to insults.
     
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    Please show were I have ever excused a single person that has damaged or stolen another's property.
    I’ll wait — and I will continue to ignore your strawman lies to the 10000th straight post. I don’t play these childish games. Sorry.

    Oh, I see you have determined “we’re done here” like a big boy because I won’t play along. cheerio.
     
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    That was their opinion but one sided decisions like that are not valid.
     
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    That's the spirit! :)

    Also, all presidential libraries need razed.
     
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    The voting booth? :(
     
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    Michelangelo?

    Gotta go.

    Too religious; the Inquisitions & all that.
     
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    It's about damn time we have a governor brave enough enough to protect us from history!
     
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    Virginia, like New York, is a state where the Democrat Party imports carpetbagging made men who have done excellent criminal service in other areas.

    Terry McAwful for instance.

    Big time bag man/hit man for the Clintons & other Democrat scum.

    Born in New York, propped up in Virginia.

    And in New York, you have a mix of carpetbaggers and home-grown scum.

    Clinton in the former category, Prince Andrew, brother of Fredo, in the other.
     
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    Lol...I suppose you think that the right wingers goose-stepping through Charlottesville with their tiki torches chanting racist and bigoted slogans and murdering people with cars were fine citizens, eh?
    Who the hell do you think you're kidding with this pap?
    Your boy trump keeps trying to peddle this same bullshit to save his own skin, but he looks to be going down in flames as more and more repubs are finally throwing him under the bus because of his deplorable character.
     
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    It was more than just to "preserve slavery". They saw what was coming and it was more than political demographics. Radical abolitionists (as opposed to more moderate ones) were attempting to forment slave rebellions and would have been happy to see wholesale slaughter in the South. John Brown was financed by Northerners (the Secret Six). Take with that the Republican Party's platform and Edward's "Irrepressible Conflict" speech and it was clear to them what they must do.

    I don't think that's true. They knew if war was to come that they had little chance of winning. As South Carolina plainly stated, it just wanted to be left alone

    I agree with you about Virginia. It voted against secession originally and was full of "good Union men" as a delegate that met with Lincoln put it. That, of course, changed after Fort Sumter.

    True

    Here I will disagree. As much of a tinderbox as the country was, Lincoln engineered the war all by himself. He deliberately kept the Senate, which was in session, in the dark and pursued his scheme on Fort Sumter totally on his own. By the time Congress reconvened in July, the war was well under way and Lincoln had suspended habeas corpus in 3 areas in the North.

    The above is detailed in the book Lincoln Takes Command by John Shipley Tilley. He relies heavily on the Congressional Globe (precursor to the Congressional Record), the Official Records and other contemporaneous accounts. The "plight" of Major Anderson and his men was mischaracterized for political gain to feed the notion that "something had to be done".
     
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    What the rioters didn't destroy in reaction to the Democrat Lockdown the Democrat *leadership* will destroy/dismantle now.

    Criminal gangs gotta criminal gang you know.
     
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    Removing or relocating a statue does nothing to history. At all.
     
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    So why use public property to promote criminal gangs that went to war with our country in the name of preserving slavery?
     
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