The Police are the Problem

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ImNotOliver, Jun 6, 2020.

  1. BuckyBadger

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    They tend to be right and you tend to be lost in a fantasy world.
     
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    The implication is that it is the prevalent attitude and it is not. Sometimes force is justified or even appropriate. The definition of "excessive force" is subject to interpretation. Generally, the police are taught not to give their opponent and even break. Anyone who thinks the cops should make it an fair fight are living in a fantasy land. I do give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt because generally when choosing between the person who enforces the law and the person who is breaking the law, it is no contest. Even though I was never a cop, some in the family have been and I hear about what they encounter.

    The choke hold was excessive and the cop should be punished. However, most cops do not fit in that category just because of one bad one. This attitude will do more harm than good.
     
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    Public Health Experts Have Undermined Their Own Case for the COVID-19 Lockdowns: Police violence is a metaphorical disease. Coronavirus is a literal disease.
    Either they were lying when they said these steps were necessary, or they are lying now when they put they put politics ahead of public health. And it suggests that because they do.

    It's unsafe to physically vote at the polls, but it's safe to loot a Target?
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're pretty much exemplifying the point that ImNotOliver was making. You're calling the person a cop encounters an "opponent." The mindset of nearly every cop I've ever met, and this is reinforced in the training videos of theirs that I've seen (there are a plethora of them available on YouTube), is to assume that when you arrive on a scene, someone there is a criminal. It doesn't matter if it's just checking out something that looks suspicious, or if it's a welfare check. Someone on scene has committed a crime, and now your job is to deal with the criminal. And my experience with "conservatives" has been that they generally agree with that idea. If a crime wasn't happening, the cops wouldn't have been called. That guy was there, so he must be a criminal. That criminal has to be arrested. He should have just let them arrest him, they wouldn't have killed him if he'd just complied.

    That perspective is in every thread about police brutality on this forum. Every one of them, and it's espoused by the folks claiming to be conservatives. I don't know if actually is the prevailing attitude, but it sure looks like it.

    That wasn't just one bad cop. It was a murder and three more bad cops who watched him do it. And that is yet another problem with the few bad apples idea. There's a saying that if nine people are sitting a table with a Nazi, there are ten Nazis at that table. Every cop who sat by and didn't speak up during the 18 times that Chauvin used excessive force in the past (as documented in his record) is a bad cop. F*** this blue line s***. There's a microscope on the police right now and yet there are videos from a dozen major cities where they are escalating violence against protestors, shooting "less than lethal" rounds at journalists, at people standing on their own porches, at protesters immediately after telling them they have five minutes to disperse.
     
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    Only when he starts resisting arrest. I have heard those argue that the cop should make it a fair fight. That is an ignorant argument. The objective is not to have a fair fight. The objective is to subdue the person, whatever you call him.
    A cop is called for many reasons. However, it is generally because a crime has been committed. It may or may not be the person he encounters.
    I cannot speak for all conservative, but that is not my attitude. I know there are bad cops. I just don't assume that every one of them is a bad cop just because a few are.
    Two of those three were recruits. That does not completely excuse them, but it is not reasonable for them criticize a veteran cop after just a few days on the job.

    You are making an assumption. Murder requires premeditation. It is murder only if he intended to kill him. It seems extremely unlikely that he would intentionally kill someone with all those cameras on him. Very bad judgement and carelessness, maybe, but I doubt that it was intentional. I believe he will be convicted of a lesser charge for those very reasons.
     
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    The Police are the Problem.......until you are a victim of a crime and when that happens your shrill complaint will be "what are we paying these people for, they're never around when you need them."
     
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    The INTENT is shown in the other videos where he IGNORED all calls to stop KILLING GF.

    That is clear INTENT to murder and there are EYE WITNESSES to his INTENT.
     
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    Chauvin's INTENT was abundantly OBVIOUS when he IGNORED everyone and continued to maliciously suffocate GF to death.

    Do you recall the LA riots?

    Can you imagine what will happen if they let this KILLER cop get away with MURDER?
     
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    :roflol:

    Wrong on ALL counts!

    I am NOT a Dem and your bovine excrement content demonstrates that your "views" are from some other dimension where REALITY does not exist.

    Furthermore it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to "lose" a debate when the other side doesn't have anything remotely credible to begin with.

    But I am sure the debate "rools" in Lalaland are the OPPOSITE of REALITY and that you must be getting "tired of winning" under your Orange Oaf's racist dystopia.

    :roflol:
     
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    Think you got problems now? Get rid of police and then you will know problems.
     
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    Ummmm, the police were called by the person Floyd was passing bogus money to. And part of that call to the police was that Floyd was acting crazy.

    Get it?
     
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    That’s not premeditated whether you like it or not. And because you reached this guy may walk free.
     
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    Thank you for establishing that you have no subject matter knowledge when it comes to the requirements for murder charges.

    ONLY 1st degree murder REQUIRES premeditation.

    Your KILLER cop is charged with 2nd degree murder that DOES NOT require premeditation, only INTENT, which was clearly DEMONSTRATED by him WILLFULLY cutting off the air supply to GF for over 8 minutes while IGNORING everyone telling him that he was KILLING GF.

    Hopefully he will spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars because of his INTENTIONAL MURDER of GF.
     
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    Clueless about the law as always. 2nd degree murder requires reckless actions.......
     
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    I don't think so. The problem is not the police in general. It is the unwillingness of cops to report other cops for illegal activity. Fix that and you fix most of the problems with bad actors in police departments. One high ranking cop on TV recently said "if you see it, you own it." What he means was that a cop who witnessed illegal activity on the part of another cop and failed to report it was subject to termination. I understand why cops stick together. But when it becomes illegal, cops need to intervene with their own. Protecting illegal activity is the main reason we have illegal activity in some police departments.
     
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    I do not mind getting blown off. I can still destroy your premise.
     
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    It doesn't.
     
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    In summation-

    You got arrested because you're a left wing loon who got lippy with a rent-A-cop, because you have an irrational hatred of authority. Even authority as insubstantial as a rent-A-cop in costume he bought at Party City will set you off so angry that real police need to be brought in to get you back under control.

    That, and homeless people suck, because they're dirtbags who'll burn down your building in the course of trying to cook hotdogs in a hubcap over a burning tire.
     
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