Chinese Navy Kicks Out US warship From Territorial Waters

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  1. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    it would look like a ground invasion of north korea and iran

    of course all the borders would be closed to trade and immigration because of the covid-19 biological weapons
     
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    Both the assassination of Saddam Hussein and Colonel Ghadafi were at the behest of Washington.... the U.S. is guilty of murder in both incidents. You haven't even motivated your view on the matter. The rest of your post is just plain silly.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's time now to put you on "ignore".
     
  4. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Are you suggesting that Saddam Hussein and Ghadafi should not have been killed? By their own people.?

    How was Hussein assassinated? He had a trial. Probably as fair a trial as could be expected.
     
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    Like I care about what some guy from Sweden thinks.
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh that's a new one now. Reminds me of the 6 non existent hospitals Russia was bombing in Syria.

    Aren't you mixing up your countries, and what nation is doing what?


     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I'm not going to get into any details on that ... "

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  8. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Bolshevik installed Soviet Union could not have been known for its loyalty since they were criminals and lacked moral constraints, but Imperial Russia was definitely known for it, or Tsar Nicholas II would not have entered WWI in support of Serbia. That same loyalty exists now in the Russian Federation, and it runs in sharp contrast with the deceptions and lies which has been part of our foreign policy since 1963 - and reached its full ferocity with Clinton and Albright. That ferocity and inhumanity has continued, and is leading us into WWIII.

    If Russia's loyalty is not recognized in the West, it's because nations like people, can only see things through their own eyes - and that's what's being projected in our propaganda networks
     
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    That's because the Communist Party was campaigning under the guise of unity and nationalism.
    America had a lot of experience with Communism and understood that Communism never
    campaigned as a straight out Communist Party - they would morph into whatever party would win
    power - and then turn that nation into a Communist one. That was Lenin's Rule.
    But the Catholics soon found out what this "nationalist" party was up to. With the infiltration,
    assassinations, attacks on villages, murder of govt officials/nurses/scout masters/teachers etc the
    peasants soon understood too. And news about the 80,000,000 killed in Red China gradually
    became widespread.
    America understood well before because of the Red Terror, the Bolsheviks, Stalin, the murder of
    20,000,000 Russians, Berlin wall etc..
    Allowing a "nationalist" party to govern Sth Vietnam would have meant Ho Chi Minh would be
    dictator of Vietnam, and the rest of Indo China would follow suit. General Giap bragged how his
    party would "set all Asia on fire."
     
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    Pro Islamo Jihado Arabo Paruske propaganda rules !! :icon_picknose:
     
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    The Russians did not enter World War One in order to support Serbia. Supporting a "fellow Slav, fellow Eastern Orthodox nation" was mere pretext.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know about you but I am old enough to remember the USSR and the so-called Iron Curtain. I've been to every Warsaw Pact nation and I even lived 2 years in the shadow of "The Wall" in Berlin. What I see in the U.S. today reminds me (in part) of those Soviet days. Propaganda (mountainous, obvious lies) - Isolation - Compulsory patriotic allegiance (standing with hand on heart for national anthem & flags everywhere) - Censorship.
     
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    More "With us or against us" brainwash poppycock. You ought to liberate yourself and discover all of the shades of grey. Ah, but then life might suddenly become more complicated and you'd have to come to your own conclusions based upon an unending flow and development of information & facts.
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    No one forces Americans to do any of that.
     
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    Now, at the end of May 2020, this is less about "territorial waters" than it is about the COVID19 virus! And there's a new factor that has changed -- Russia.

    Putin's popularity has been in a death-spiral since this virus began devastating Russia. His 'approval', as measured by the highly-respected, independent Levada Analytical Center, was down to 63% in March 2020. Almost exactly two years ago, it was 82%... link: https://www.levada.ru/en/ . The love-affair between Russia and China may be ending soon, and that would change things considerably.

    We don't need to have a thermonuclear war to blunt China's dreams of world-dominance... no. What we need to do is form a "Coalition of the Damaged"-- we countries that have had our people killed and our economies wrecked by Chinese malfeasance and stupidity in handling their own bio-weapons platforms (and THAT is EXACTLY what COVID19 is).

    So, what could this 'Coalition of the Damaged' do? Demand that China pay for the damage that it has caused -- or -- nobody buys from them, or sells to them! Think about it. This is a country of 1.4 billion which cannot grow food crops on more than ~13% of its land mass! If a coalition of countries refused to buy anything from China, or sell them FOOD, the Chinese economy would implode and hundreds of millions of starving Chinese would go berserk -- surely resulting in (chuckle!) the "removal of the Mandate of Heaven", as Chinese history quaintly describes 'regime-change'. Xi would probably be finished in less than a year....

    And if China decided to wage a 'hot' war in response (probably more 'conventional' than 'nuclear'), it grows increasingly likely that they would do so alone. Russia might not turn against them, but it is becoming more likely that Russia would not (NOT) join the Chinese in a war against the rest of the world.

    To be blunt: Right now, Xi has his "teat in the wringer", but Vladimir Putin is nobody's fool! Vlad is not going to 'fall on his sword' for Xi....
     
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    it is better to ally with Russia than china because it is a white country.

    America is also a white country, that is why it dropped the atomic bomb on japan.
     
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    nah even after putin is gone, russia still gonna be china strategic partner as long as Nato put military force in poland and intrude into east EU(ukraine/romania etc), which russia see as their back yard. Russia and china partnership didn't start with putin, it start after soviet collapse, many russia elite hate west due to soviet collapse etc, so they rather work with another communist country. also there is alot russian immigrant in northern china, many former warsaw countries(west asia/east EU) are china biggest trading partner. They are not ally, but they both know they need each other to counter either nato or US. its enemy of my enemy kind of things. The only way russia will be on US side is US/nato basically get out of east EU, and give russia influence over it, and thats not gonna happen.
    also russia trade more with china than any other countries. big manufacture need big energy.
     
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    Your are right in pointing out the antipathy that Russians feel toward the U. S. because of Ukraine, threats to move missiles into Poland, and because of U. S. interference (that's what it is) in the German - Russian business relationship in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

    Now, Trump has announced that he's pulling thousands of U. S. military personnel out of Germany. Where will he place them instead? Poland, or possibly Ukraine, or somewhere else in Eastern Europe where they want to get a big load of American money?
     
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    i think trump gonna put them in japan/SK for his indo-pacific plan. but until russia see withdrawn of nato from east EU, they gonna continue partner up with China. In other words, they form up the partnership out of necessity. russia has energy, china buy that energy, russia has alot resource china buy that resource, russia has alot empty land, china lease that land to grow food etc. both see US circling them, for russia is east EU/former warsaw countries, for China is eastward like japan/guam + south china sea etc.
     
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    I haven't followed this forum for awhile. I am shocked that human life has devolved so much since I was a young man.
     
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    A pretext for what, for national suicide by entering another war right after fighting Japan? What you're saying is projection and nothing more than a reflection of yourself and what your own motives would be.

    The last thing Tsar Nicholas II wanted was a full scale war with his own cousins, otherwise he wouldn't have come up with the idea of a court at the Hague to prevent wars. When Germany said that they would support Austria to get Russia to back off, it was too late. The Russian troops were already at the front and the rest is history. The death toll averaged 20 thousand men a day.



    GREETINGS!

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    At least I had nothing to gain,
    not money or elusive fame,
    can those in charge now say the same?

    My problem was I feared my head
    that I might lose it and be dead
    and gave away my rights instead.

    And this is why you foolish folk
    are looked upon now as a joke
    controlled by every criminal bloke

    who can buy the media - Jeannette






     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is Moscow's response:

    "Changes made to the structure of the American military presence in Europe in order to move it closer to the Russian borders will not only worsen the already tense situation in the sphere of global security on the continent, but will also hamper attempts to restart a constructive dialogue between Russia and NATO", the ministry's spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said during a press briefing.​
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wouldn't pay too much attention to what is being written up in the MSM - especially on the Corona virus in Russia. I believe Moscow was furious over the lies, probably from the Moscow Times which is a foreign newspaper and not Russian. I looked at the graphs and no where was Vladimir Putin's approval rating that high. It was always much higher though than his opponents.

    This is what I found on Vladimir Putin's actions as President of Russia: It was taken in April of this year:

    Is Russia moving in the right direction:

    Moving in the right direction - 42%
    The country is on the wrong path - 42%
    It is difficult to say - 17%
    Do you approve or disapprove of Vladimir Putin's actions:

    Approve - 59%
    Disapprove - 33%

    I didn't notice much difference over the years. This following question is interesting though and says it all since Vladimir Putin received a higher mark than he did in other years:

    In your opinion, why do many people trust Vladimir Putin:

    People don’t see who else they can rely on - 43%
    https://www.levada.ru/en/tag/president/

    I don't think so. Once Vladimir Putin realized that the animosity towards Russia had nothing to do with the Soviet Union and that Germany was too dependent on Washington to look after its own interests, Moscow turned Eastwards and were welcomed with open arms. Since then they have become intertwined economically.


    As far as I can tell, China did whatever it could to control the damage. We were also involved in the Wuhan laboratory - so why in the damn world were we helping them there, and why do we have biology labs all over the world?

    Don't believe for one second that the proud Chinese who were suppressed by the West for centuries, will ever get rid of a leader who raised them into a power to be reckoned with. One of the reason's they embraced Russia so readily, was that they are Europeans, and yet they never had the arrogance towards them that Western Europe and the US did.

    Russia has it's own hands full with trying to protect its Western flank, the Arctic and trying to control Turkey's Ottoman ambitions towards Syria, Libya, Greece and the whole Eastern Mediterranean. Erdogan is trying to get US support with Libya, but to no avail. If the US goes to war with China, it will be on its own. The nations in the Far East will not join. Japan which has military forces almost equal to China, is siding now with China on Hong Kong.

     
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    I highly value your opinion and your analyses of what goes on with Russia, China, Putin, and Xi. I do wish you would post more often about these topics, and all those with an 'international' context especially. I always learn something when I read your posts, whether I agree with everything you say or not.
     
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    The US, vietnam and the philipines all don't recognize China ownership of that territory. I can be sure of it but I don't think the UN does either.
     

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