Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

Not unless another normal Republican steps forward to represent those interests.

 

Ah well. Trump will be gone after next election either way.

 

I wish there was a normal Republican to vote for. But I refuse to vote for Biden as I consider the Dems to be disastrous.

 

That is obviously not a reasonable position. There is nothing 'disastrous' about the Democrats. They haven't been dismantling our global power and standing, nor are they to blame for things for which they've been given blame for years now, such as outsourcing and the national debt (Trump has really been doing a number on the latter, incidentally, despite his unrealistic, downright ludicrous promises to the contrary four years ago).

 

No, Germany does not take millions of male refugees, never has. 2015 was an emergency, caused by the East European countries not controlling the Astern EU borders. That problem has been solved. The EU borders are now well protected.
75% of the refugees have found jobs in Germany. A very large number went through the apprentice ship program. A joint venture of Government and Industry.
There has been no upheaval or murderous times in Germany.
Were did you get that one from.
The females of my family in Germany walk safely in the cities, go out, have fun, go to bars or restaurants in the dark
None of what you write is true.
Last fall I was in Germany. Nothing has changed. It is the same Ol' Germany I know.

 

Sobo, you ain't fooling nobody.

 

I consider their social policy positions to be disastrous. Not to mention their immigration and health care policies. Even worse their efforts to cut defense spending (which I believe should be increased dramatically).

 

Thank you, dear gnoib, for telling me the truth.
Where I got the horrible news from? Well, most of it I read in the German forum. But also I heard from my sister-in-law how awful it is. That was only about 1 year ago. She mentioned a case quite close to her where a refugee guy had murdered a white woman and mother of 2 little children. Apparently, these "cultured" men don't know any better and the German authorities hush it up and it rarely gets mentioned in the news.
I have been lucky and found the case on the web:

Preetz: Abgelehnter Afghane ersticht mutmaßliche „Flüchtlings“ Helferin & Mutter – schuldunfähig!
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Man hat den Eindruck, dass seit 2015 ein ganzes Heer an schizophrenen Asylbewerbern in unser Land geschwappt ist. Oder machen es sich die verantwortlichen Juristen und Gerichtspsychologen mit ihren Urteilen nur einfach? Weil sie auch zu den Willkommensbefürwortern gehören, die der Realität, dass unser Land verrohteste Brutalos importiert, nicht ins Auge sehen wollen?

One gets the impression that since 2015 a whole army of schizophrenic asylum seekers has swept into our country. Or do the responsible lawyers and forensic psychologists simply make it easy with their judgments? Because they are also welcome supporters who do not want to face the reality that our country imports the most crude Brutalos?


Aber lies mal selber den Link:
https://frauenpanorama.de/preetz-ab...e-fluechtlingshelferin-mutter-schuldunfaehig/

Es ist leider kein Einzelfall, lieber Gnoib. Schuld sind die deutschen Politiker, die nicht laut genug "Willkommen!" schreien konnten. "Wir schaffen das! Kommt alle zur Mutti, sie nimmt Euch herzlich in die Arme! Wir brauchen unbedingt Fachkraefte!"
Im Forum wird oft gewitzelt ueber diese sogenannten "Fachkraefte"!!

Persoenlich bin ich seit 1990 nicht mehr in D. gewesen und habe keine Ahnung wie der Karren dort laeuft. Mein Wissen beziehe ich hauptsaechlich aus dem deutschen Forum.

Es erstaunt mich, dass es zwei so drastisch verschiedene Seiten von der Situation in D. gibt.

 

Why do we need even more defense spending? We already outspend everyone else by a huge margin, and it's already more than we can afford.. Spending more intelligently would make more sense than just spending more, period.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with Democratic immigration and health care policies. We need more of their policies, if anything. The disaster has been Republican obstructionism and the growing extremism on the right based in nasty lies and fever dreams.

Social policy positions? I really don't know what your problem could be there. Is there something wrong with helping minorities escape from oppression and helping women stay healthy and have control over their reproduction? Really now, what is wrong with Democratic social policy positions?

 

We have to prepare for the next big war. One is coming. I'm absolutely certain of that. and when it comes to procurement of weapons, nations like China actually spend more than the U.S. because a huge chunk of U.S. defense spending is spent on our troops. Not so for the Chinese.

 

Your opinions. Not mine. And I'm pretty sure not millions of other Americans.

 

Please, 1.5 million men and woman came to Germany in that year. It is natural that maybe 1 or 2 thousand of them, are wacos, criminals or what ever, or are unable to adjust to the society they now have to live in.
Yes they committed crimes, but at the same level Germans do, the criminal statistic show it.
The welcome was a humanitarian necessity. They were run out of Turkey, out of Eastern Europe and dumped into Germany.
The welcome actually worked, because those folks felt they were given a chance, which they were given and the large majority took it.
They are no problem at all.
The crime statistic show they are no better or worse than Germans. They are just people, like you and me.

Yes Mutti said " wir schaffen das" and they did.
Rather amazing, I would say.

This is this for me always amazing thing, when the crap hits the fan, they just unite, organize, find solutions and solve the problem.
But till than they are fighting like dogs and cats. Just look at the c19 response in Germany.
What ever info you get, from those German forums, they are flat out wrong.
Germany is in excellent shape.

 

German posters are always making threads about how superior they are, so fine, they don't need us then. Leave them to their own devices. If they are as superior as they claim, then they should be fine. No worries.

 

Heck my grandmas house in the mountains in Bosnia is better than this

 

You really do believe that US is in Europe to "help" Europe from the Russians? And not at all because of having a interest in presence near Russia?
US cares so much for Lithuania, Estonia and Poland?

 

This is not about sharing Trump tried to steal our vaccine research. For that the Anti Trump alliance was founded. To make Sure Germany has first acess

 

So, what was the point exactly then? If the US moves its troops from Germany, and the german economy takes that hit, isn't that exactly what so many german officials are not complaining about? If, as you wrote, it won't hurt anyone, why make any stink at all about the move out? If, as is expected, these troops are then redeployed somewhere else, like Poland, that doesn't put the US in any danger strategically.

I spent a lot of time, in uniform, in Germany. The folks there were always welcoming and very happy that we were there to make sure that Europe was at peace. Perhaps this is the growing pains of a European union that doesn't understand yet who their actual allies are. Merkel seems as inflammatory as any old time soviet East German leader could be. Folks shouldn't forget where she comes from, nor the fact that she stays in power, like other long term dictators have, in the past. There are many similarities between what Germany is experiencing and what Russia does. But hey, I'm sure that it's just coincidence...

 

To the flightline, double time, march!!!!!

 

What?

Merkel gets elected. She is popular.

How is USA exactly our ally? It acts like an enemy.

 

We gotta get out of that place.

 

I honestly don't understand the big fuzz about it, besides Bunker Boy throwing one of his childish fits.
It just 9500 man.
Economic impact?
None at all. Even if Bunker Boy pulls all of them out, the 25,000 left it would be hardly noticed, economically.

From military stand point, the US would loose one of its most important infrastructure, for Africa and the Middle East and would have to spent billions to built new ones in a different country.
Oh well that credit card can handle it...…………………………………..

 

So withdrawing 9,500 troops and leaving 25,000 troops, a continuation of an Obama era strategic removal of US troops from foreign soil, is a burr under your saddle?

Whatever happened to the complaints of military spending?

 

We do have treaty obligations to them.

 

why do you sneer at President Trump as "Bunker Boy"? It isn't like he had any choice about going into the White House bunker. The Secret Service has complete authority in that regard and no one can countermand them. On 9-11 they physically forced VP Cheney to enter the bunker.

 

No you dont. Beside that, treaties with USA usually dont age well