The "defund/disband" police advocates are damned near INSANE!!!

Here's a question.......

Suppose Patriots and Constitutionalists were to descend on DC and various cities throughout America DEMANDING their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS be respected, such as 2nd Amendment rights which have been all but squashed in NY, NJ, California and many other liberal states.

How do you think the response to mass protests by those people would go (granted there would not be looting etc)

How do you think New York, Newjersey and other Blue capitals would respond to 2nd amendment protests demanding their rights be restored?

For one, I can guarantee you the media would go out of it's way to demonize those protests as insurrections.

 

Disband the police, insane liberal idea. Wait until the liberal judges and liberal lawyers lobby gets ahold of the idea and shuts up the democrat politicians with pockets of campaign funds. They will protect their gravy train, er jobs. Next insane liberal idea, disband the military? How can a sane person vote for a democrat?

 

That is a term (defund) that has been used repeatedly by various urban areas recently.

I do agree with demilitarizing police departments though that would not save much money. Much of the military hardware police departments across the U.S. obtain they get for free from the U.S. government. And militarized police played no known role n the death of Floyd.

 

If we would could untwist the panties...

Black voters are the most pragmatic voters in the country, by far.

So don't confuse a few kids caught up in the moment for what will come out of this.

We need a better social safety net. Part of that will be policing reform.

And Dayton is right, that won't save much money. But for several reasons, stopping plagues being one of them, we need to do a better job.

 

And when all you have is a hammer...

 

NYPD Commissioner '1,000 percent' behind plan to move some NYPD funds to youth and social services
“I heard no dollar amount,” Shea told PIX11 News. “We know there were obviously some cuts to the youth. I think it is incumbent upon all of us to dig down and do anything that’s needed. So in terms of shifting some resources from the NYPD, we need the details on how much it is, but to help kids in the city, I’m 1,000 percent behind that, 1,000 percent."

Read more: https://www.pix11.com/news/local-ne...-some-nypd-funds-to-youth-and-social-services


Buncha lib lunatics. Gonna kill us all with their defund campaign.

 

So are airplanes, helicopters, cars, trucks, guns, bullet resistant vests, uniforms, shoes, boots, underwear, socks, men, women and numerus other items. Shouldn't they all be forbid for the same reason.

In case you haven't noticed, I am being sarcastic. Just because someone else uses an item does not mean they should not be used.

 

I think it's great. This is happening in liberal cities not even close to me. I live in the mountains. We have a super low crime rate. Everyone has guns and are determined to protect themselves. Our sheriff department is pro 2nd Amendment. It won't have any influence on my life if they abolish police departments and create a whole bunch of cities like Baltimore. It will push the moderates right. This happened in the 60s. Crime rose and the people decided they wanted more law and order. It will happen that way again. There is a huge amount of older civil rights leaders that are totally against abolishing police departments. This is just going to get Trump elected so the far left can have something to throw a tantrum over for another four years.

 

Libertarian idea aka Trump supporters..not Liberal. They are just coming out the woodwork now as a means to press their agenda.

 

The items you mention are not the tools of war.

In case you're wondering, I'm NOT being sarcastic.

 

Constitutional carry + disbanding PDs = Instant law, order and peace on the streets.

 

Let them disband.
The policing will become reactive, not proactive, if they manage to do this semi-properly, which is a big if.

 

Big city Police Departments work under the direction of corrupt DP politicians and the Chiefs appointed by those crooks. Independent police serving at the pleasure of voters, the armed public, would be a far better approach.

 

They use them in war and some are definitely items of war.

The police use them because they sometimes have to penetrate a perimeter which is well defended. It prevents law enforcement loss of life and injury. I don't personally remember ever seeing any of them used by the police so they are not used all that frequently.

 

Bull.
The problem with such weapons is that if they're not used, they're useless.
So, they get used.
They get used even when the situation doesn't require.

The tools of war should never be turned on a civilian populace.
A lot of war criminals were imprisoned and hung for that offense.

And if you don't remember, here's this...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bombing-reconciliation-philadelphia

 

Many times because they are there, the situation does not require them. The best use of a weapon is when it does not have to be used because it can be used.

 

Do we really care what kind of weapon is used against a mass murderer or someone trying to burn down a city? The way the cops protect us and win is they have more and bigger weapons. If my city cops want to carry sawed-off shotguns or bazookas I couldn't care less.

 

So police should use C4 just because they have it?

The police, almost universally have a motto "serve and protect."

"Serve and Protect" does not include C-4, tanks, APC, assault weapons, chemical warfare...

THAT is why they fail.
THAT is why we failed in Iraq
THAT is why we failed in Vietnam

All those weapons eventually become the tools of the oppressed. Think not?



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The tools of the oppressor become the tools of the oppressed.

The weapons of war should never be used against civilians. It is a war crime for the military. It should be a crime for the police.

 

All we have to do is wait them out.

The ones who are truly brain dead won't survive. The ones that still have a couple brain cells left will swallow a bottle of red pills.

Yes it's going to be ugly, but the best way to end progressive leftism in the US is to give them all the rope they need to hang themselves with their ideas.

 

There is no use in having a rational discussion with someone who uses logic like that.

 

Not my logic, it is yours. Let me tell you a story...

Late 1980s a police office in titusville, florida was killed in the line of duty. The police using:
A no knock warrant;
launched grenades through the windows of a home;
Rammed down the front and back doors;
Dressed like ninjas with no markings rushed into the house;
Shouting and screaming.
The homeowner panicked and ran to his bedroom where, hiding behind his bed, he shot the first person through the door.

It was Officer House. A freak shot. Entered under his left arm and severed 2 arteries. House died on the scene.
The police arrested the homeowner and charged him with 1st degree murder.
The jury found him innocent.

It turns out the man was innocent. No drugs. A bad tip the police acted on without checking.

"So what" you say?
It was all unnecessary is what.
There was no emergency. No one in danger. No need to crash the house that way and place both the police and the public in danger.

So, the question is, why would the police do it?
The answer is
BECAUSE THEY CAN!

And
BECAUSE THEY CAN
is why police should not have the tools of ware for use in protecting the public.

That's your takeaway.

If you choose to learn from it.
Doubtful but hope does spring eternal.

 

When you say

All rationality goes out the window and there is little point of further discussion.

When you condemn all police based on one incident, there is little point in talking For every incident like that you can most likely find a few hundred where the police went out of their way to help someone.

 

It would be insane to disband the police as they are without instituting a replacement, but I doubt that's what they're actually advocating for. Any of them who are, I'd agree they're nuts. I'd guess they're also a small minority of fools and crazies who will not get what they want, and all of the protesters should not be judged by those few.

 

I don't think I've ever seen a tank in a police department. As far as armored vehicles and body armor, are you ****ing crazy? Would you want to be a cop going into inner city crime ridden areas without body armor? You have obviously never been shot at before.

 

It has been VERY successfully done in Camden New Jersey.

So all the right wing hand wringing, pearl (and gun) clutching aside, it's likey going to greatly improve the community.

Now, back to your fear mongering and decrying the evil left, more fun ain't it? Oh yeah and if Obama praised it, it's surely pure evil! I forgot that.