What caused Floyd’s death

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  1. Curious Always

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    Not a big fan of the innocent until proven guilty thing, eh?

    Unless, you have special information that we 100% know that the bill was counterfeit and that Floyd knew it was counterfeit? Please cite your source on that.

    Not many are willing to admit that being accused of passing off a fake 20 is cause for immediate, on-the-spot death penalty.
     
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    Wtf world do you want to live in?
     
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    What world one may or may not wish to live in has absolutely no bearing on what is ultimately reality.
     
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    Do not resist arrest. Why is that simple concept ultimately proving to be so difficult for so many individuals to comprehend?
     
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    So resisting arrest is instant death penalty, even if the suspect has been completely subdued for several minutes?

    Damn - some of you are harsh.
     
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    If the law enforcement officers on the scene feel it is necessary, then yes, such is what will come about. Not may come about, but will come about, as immutable to reality as water being wet, and fire being hot. One does not get to fight with law enforcement and win, as they are trained to maintain control of the situation above all else, even if the suspect has to be killed to achieve such.

    Those who refuse to acknowledge such as being the reality of the situation, and who believe that they can win if they simply resist and fight hard enough, are idiotic at the very least. They have no excuse for being so ignorant of how the real world works.

    Reality itself is very harsh, not fair.
     
  7. Curious Always

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    No, no, no. There is no law that allows cops to be judge, jury & approve instant death penalty for a suspect that is under control.
     
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    The courts of the united states have long allowed such to occur, holding that law enforcement officers have discretion in making split-second decisions on whether or not to deploy deadly force against a suspect if they claim they are in fear for their lives, or otherwise believe it is necessary to maintain control of the situation.
     
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    The poor widdle cops were afraid of an unconscious man? Boo bleepin' hoo.
     
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    Does such ultimately serve to change the facts of the matter, or otherwise shape the reality in which the entire population of the planet must live in?

    Whether or not such is liked or agreed with, it is the reality of the situation. Law enforcement officers have near-absolute discretion over every member of the public, and are free to do essentially whatever they want to do, with no fear of the consequences of their actions because of how drastically qualified immunity has been expanded since its inception.
     
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    The fact that four cops await trial on murder charges suggests otherwise.
     
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    Such is nothing unusual in high-profile cases, but convictions are exceedingly rare even with significant evidence of wrongdoing.
     
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    That you believe cops have the legal right to murder citizens is appalling. Do you live in a communist country? Perhaps that's why you think that, but in the United States, we don't believe the state can murder citizens without due process.
     
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    And yet such is truly the reality of the situation the united states finds itself in right now. Law enforcement officers are allowed to use deadly force as a first response before even assessing the situation, and the courts have essentially declared such is their legal right to do so, because the life of a law enforcement officer is of greater value than the life of any private individual.

    It does not matter if this is right or acceptable, it is what reality presently is. And that reality is simply not going to change.
     
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    That was not my point. I was saying that if George had attracted the attention of a different police officer in Minnesota he'd be alive today, that's all. Don't try and make more out of it than that
     
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    Or he could have been shot on the scene rather than supposedly being suffocated.
     
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    George was unlucky like that. He should have made better choices and if he hadn't been using drugs and passing funny money he wouldn't have met any cop at all that night.
     
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    I saw the video too but do you really believe that officer wanted to kill Mr Floyd?
     
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    Did you hear his fellow officers saying things like, "You should't do this," and "don't you think we should turn him over, now?"
     
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    Yes I did and he said he stays here. It was a terrible mistake or a cold blooded decision to kill him.
     
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    I think, in 2021, killer cops will finally get the law they deserve.
     
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    We'll never know the true answer to that question. If it was a mistake, though, he's an absolutely terrible cop.
     
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    Cite your evidence which supports the notion that so people in St Paul are shot and killed by police, that it becomes a possible outcome here.
     

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