We Don’t Need No Stinking Vaccine for Covid-19

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive...-don-t-need-no-stinking-vaccine-for-covid-19/

The article is putting forth the position that we should be focusing more on our immune system - rather than saying we don't need a vaccine.

In any case - what I found interesting was the numbers given. Even if we do come up with a vaccine - one that is effective 30-60% of the time - that is still going to mean a large number of dead people.

Do we then keep society locked down for the next 2 years ? What is the prognosis here given that economic hardship kills 40,000 people for every 1% rise in unemployment - and that is in normal times. In a severe economic downturn I would expect the numbers to be higher.

 

Yeh, I’m on board with with making a robust immune system a big part of the equation. You will have a hard time getting anyone on board though. I’ve posted research on how exercise can help with this pandemic. Pharmaceutical “cures” and masks were more exciting. I’ve posted information on how a positive attitude and humor boost the immune system. It’s met with “orange man bad” or “why are you minimizing this pandemic”. This week I floated the fact fear destroys the immune system, but was told the fear is justified, so it doesn’t matter. LOL

Hats off to your thread though. Hopefully it improves someone’s life because it appears that’s your intent.

 

That is a pretty low efficacy rate for a vaccine

 

The trouble with you alternative therapy approach is this

How does an arthritic 60 year old exercise enough to boost his/her immune response? And will the degree of the boosting confer immunity to THIS virus?

Can anyone be “positive” and “humorous” 24/7? I will say though that a good number of cases have been the spread through funeral attendees - perhaps they should have been laughing and joking through the service?

And you are conflating concern with fear

 

Lock down time is over another one would do more harm. This from me and I have all the mitigating factors including diabetes and being older than Donald Trump.

 

Unfortunately at the moment locking down will only be closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, knocked down the fence, stomped on the crops and shat in the water tank

It was the initial delay that put America at risk

 

I agree. But do what seems reasonable to stay safe.

 

No matter if it stinks. it's supposed to help against the virus.

 

LOL. That was all addressed with numerous research articles in your sticky thread. And it isn’t alternative therapy. It’s all well researched and documented. You make my point perfectly in that you paid it no attention. You just validated my assertion. Thanks.

Then be a pessimist. No skin off my nose. For someone in the healthcare profession you sure are opposed to a lot of scientific data. Odd.

Of course not. I had to explain the difference to one of your compatriots here the other day:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ronavirus-panic.573293/page-6#post-1071783938

I see very little concern and a great deal of fear on this subject. If there was concern, the immune system would be a priority. You would encourage a positive attitude. You would encourage everyone to exercise to their potential. No, it’s mostly all fear. Here is the link I supplied your compatriot.
https://medium.com/@wordsbybrit/concern-vs-fear-78881404d97d

 

I agree, it's utterly ridiculous.

Wasn't the original shutdown about "trying to flatten the curve" ?

 

I predict even when a vaccine does come out, it won't actually be very effective.

That could take much longer, many years.


Not that most people would actually pay any attention to that. People's minds don't work that way, they want simple 'yes' or 'no' understandings. Understanding that a vaccine exists but it might not work very well for them is too complicated to easily understand. Plus a lot of these new products churned about by pharmaceutical companies are more marketing hype than anything actually justified and useful. Yes, this can apply to vaccines too.

 

How does it kill people, exactly? There hasn't been any starvation in America for almost 100 years.

 

It is what is quoted in the article - I did not check other sources.

 

That it is - and the sooner the better - but not really the point of the OP.

 

Yes -and the purpose of this was to not have the hospitals be over-run as at the time we did not know how fast this would spread - and we were not prepared - (did not want to end up like Italy and not have more patients needing ventilators than available)

We now know much more about this virus - are in no danger of hospitals being over-run, and we are way more prepared.

So the initial reasons for the lock-down no longer exist.

 

Never said anything about starvation - Stress - cancer rates increase - Suicide and other factors.

 

Lots of people survived brutal poverty in the 1930's without succumbing to stress to the point of death. And many many people survive brutal poverty today, just as well. Their lower life spans are a result of ubiquitous treatable illnesses, not specifically stress related things like suicide.

I'm not denying that economic change is very difficult, I'm denying that it's a death sentence. For many people, being faced with a survival challenge sees them reach their true potential - sometimes for the first time in their lives.

Meantime, what are these 'other factors'?

 

Unfortunately that is not true

The Deep South has has grinding poverty for years

 

It may be well researched and it may be an assist but will becoming a world leading athlete save you from contracting this virus OR passing it on to your nearest and dearest?

It is my very adherence to scientific data that make me a passimist

It is hardly news that excerising has a lot of health benefits so my question to you is

Why are not more people doing more exercise?

And you are still conflating concern with a defined stress response

 

Starvation? As in famines leading to death? No such thing in America this past century. Look it up, you'll find it's true.

A handful of abused elderly and children die of starvation yearly, and that's it.

 

But but but

If I have to give up my phone I’ll diiiiiiiieeeeee!

 

These are the statistics about hunger in the US. There is hunger but it doesn't say anything about people starving to death.

1. In 2017, 40 million people struggled with hunger in the United States.[1]
2. The USDA defines "food insecurity" as the lack of access, at times, to enough food for all household members. In 2017, an estimated 15 million households were food insecure. [2]
3. In America, hunger is caused by poverty and financial resources at both the national and local levels.[3]
4. 45 million Americans rely on stipends from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to buy food each month, according to the USDA. 2/3 of these benefits go to households with children.[4]
5. 1 in 6 American children may not know where their next meal is coming from.[5]
6. 22 million children in America rely on the free or reduced-price lunch they receive at school, but as many as 3 million children still aren't getting the breakfast they need.[6]
7. Children who experience food insecurity are at a higher risk of developing asthma, struggling with anxiety or depression, and performing poorly in school or physical activities.[7]
8. 15% of families living in rural areas experience food insecurity, compared with 11.8% living in suburban and metropolitan areas.[8]
9. People of color are disproportionately affected by higher risk of hunger. 22.5% of Black households and 18.5% of Latinx/Hispanic households experienced food insecurity in 2018.[9]
10. These 8 states have the highest rates of food insecurity in the United States: Mississippi (18.7%), Louisiana (18.3%), Alabama (18.1%), New Mexico (17.6%), Arkansas (17.5%), Kentucky (17.3%), Maine (16.4%), Oklahoma (15.2%).[10]
11. In 2017, households with children had a substantially higher rate of food insecurity (15.7%) than those without children (10.1%).[11]

I think people starving to death in the US is rare.

 

LOL. Will social distancing or hand washing guarantee one won’t contract or pass the virus? What a silly reason to continue eating twinkies on the couch instead of getting outside in the fresh air and getting some exercise. If it isn’t 100% effective it isn’t worth doing. Brilliant argument.

That’s too bad. Hopefully you are an individual who can use pessimism to motivate yourself to take positive actions. Otherwise the negative effects on your cardiovascular health, overall immune system function, and general longevity will be quite detrimental.

A couple main reasons are laziness and the reliance people have on the healthcare industry to fix problems so they don’t have to be proactive in prevention. The links between exercise and heart disease/diabetes and the effect of both on C19 patients should be a wake up call. But as the OP opines, everyone prefers a vaccine. It’s the easy way out. Take it if it ever materializes. I’ll do what I can to keep myself healthy.

Nope. I’ve been quite clear. You have chosen fear. You demonstrate this by not wanting to take positive actions like advocating for immune health. “Concern” involves positive action. “Fear” is just an unproductive emotional state. You are advocating for fear and advocating against concern by minimizing what people can do to boost immunity.

 

Thank you for that

It is indeed sobering

I remember the TV actor “Mr T” who once said that growing up his diet was oatmeal, no meal and miss a meal

Yes few are starving to death but that does not mean there is no hunger

 

We have been encouraging people to exercise since the 1800s. Has it worked?



Mind you our government has been encouraging everyone to exercise - hasn’t always worked out