How Sweden’s Touted Approach to COVID-19 Is Working So Far

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  1. Balto

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    Link: https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06...urce=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=
    Highlights from the article:
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    Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, last week said the country clearly could have done more to combat the virus and protect its most vulnerable populations.

    However, Tegnell said that the government strategy—essentially one of achieving large scale immunity by allowing exposure of the non-vulnerable population—is effective.

    “We continue to believe the strategy is good but then there are always improvements one can make, especially if you look back over time,” Tegnell said, according to Reuters news service."

    "Sweden’s population has only 0.25% cases of COVID-19 as a percentage of population. That’s roughly on a par with Germany’s 0.2%. It’s better than the 0.36% case rate in Italy, 0.38% in the U.S., and 0.53% in Iceland.

    “It’s too early to say. They are aiming toward a long-term strategy with the view that the more who get sick, the more immunity,” Michel told The Daily Signal, referring to Swedish officials. “They have done better than some European countries. The data shows the countries are fairly close.”

    "Belgium actually leads the world in deaths per million, according to the Real Clear Politics numbers, with 843.6. Belgium is followed by the United States with 620.8 per million, Spain with 580.8, and Italy with 565.4."
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    The US has always had something it could take from Sweden. Sweden closed down the universities, but not the schools and daycares. And, as the article points out, kids were not found to be at risk. But more importantly, what Sweden did right was put no mandate into place, no lockdown whatsoever. This is a lesson governors here could learn from Sweden. People decided to stay home anyway, but had to choice to eat out if they wanted to. That's how its supposed to work. Learn how to be free in a pandemic from Sweden, America.
     
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    We cant ask our vulnerable citizens to just roll the dice on dying because of yet another utopian socialist myth.
     
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    Sweden didn't close its schools, and somehow they have come out fine. There's stuff we, as a nation, can learn from Sweden to implement.
     
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    Like not stuffing positive COVID cases in nursing homes. These mid-atlantic governors clearly chose to politicize the crisis and knew exactly what they were doing in putting positive covid cases in the worst possible circumstances.

    What's clear is that these draconian meaures cannot keep the public safe, and they can't be justified even under emergency laws. It's time for the DOJ to step in.
     
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    Would you rather be in Sweden (10m people)...

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    ... or British Columbia (5m people)?

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    We don't even know how long immunity lasts, so don't you think Sweden is pursuing a risky strategy?
    British Columbia closed schools for two months, restaurants were limited to take-out and delivery, and many business likely to spread the virus were closed. There was no stay-at-home order.
    I think we should learn from British Columbia. They had no lockdown. People were encouraged to go out and exercise while maintaining social distance.
     
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    53 K after what might be a few months is a lot better than most of our States are doing.(It's better than the east coast and the South. Though Michigan has strangely been silent lately.)
     
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    Notice how, in your graph, that spike at the beginning of June and then it sharply falls. With no order attached. It's a risky strategy , but Sweden was able to bring their amount of cases down by 1,500. Now the amount of cases is nearly under 1,000 people. Honestly, both countries are a better choice than the States right now.
     
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    How about comparing Sweden to British Columbia? With half Sweden's population, BC has had 2,745 cases to Sweden's 53,323, and 168 deaths to Sweden's 4,939.
     
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    It really does take a epic act of wilful blindness to declare Sweden a success....unless one of the highest death tolls per capita (substantially higher than the US) can be considered a success. More proof that ideology and stupidity are functionally identical.

    There are genuine success stories all over Europe. Germany, Czechia & Greece all locked down to a greater extent than Sweden ans have much lower death rates. The same is true of Sweden's Scandanavian neighbours, who have less than 1200 deaths between them with 50% more people. Yesterday Sweden listed 102 new deaths - the same number of total deaths in Australia, a nation with 2.5 times Sweden's population & a much greater exposure to China during the early stages of the pandemic.

    Why would anyone declare 'successful' a nation with a death rate factors higher than its immediate neighbours? Why tout as a model to follow a place that has not only failed to protect its population, but whose economy is struggling just as badly as well? Ideology of course. Certainly not an interest in facts, good health policy or saving lives.
     
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    Here in the land of the free and home of the brave, citizens cannot act independently. They need their government to think for them and protect them. And they are then rewarded when their government does such a great job, so they are blissful! :angel:
     
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    Well guess what? Unlike the government response to Ebola, the current government has failed miserably
     
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    Within the government, certain elements planned this. So they succeeded big time. That is, they did not fail.

    Enhanced budgets and stroked megalomania is what it's all about.
     
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    Planned this?

    welcome to QAnon conspiracy **** folks
     
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    Plandemic is the word! :D
     
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