"The New Normal"

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  1. Well Bonded

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    Then way are we waiting for one before going back to normal?

    Which as I have explained may be outdated by the time it is developed negating the need for a wait.

    Masks have been proven not to be effective in slowing the spread and may actually be making things worse by providing a false sense of security.
     
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    If you really don't understand how coming into contact with your friends, the gas station staff and pumps plus the staff and customers at the restaurant increases the risk of spreading the virus then I fear you are simply unaware of how viruses and other infectious diseases work.

    I have been staying at home because I am putting the health of others above my own selfish interests.
     
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    I should have known that you could not stay on topic; that you just had to drag President Trump into the conversation--somehow...
     
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    Well, all those people who protested in the streets recently--even the non-violent ones--were, presumably, hoping to be a "part of something larger."

    Somehow, though, they seem to get a pass; but those attending President Trump's rally in Tulsa--well, that is another matter...
     
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    What, exactly, would it take for Americans to see a 'new normal' of social distancing and mask wearing? Would it be some kind of constant chemical attack? Or if the oxygen was no longer good to breathe? Is there some kind of apocalyptic scenario that you would suggest Americans would submit to?
     
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    1) Because going back to normal and ignoring the advice about social distancing will very quickly lead to higher rates of infections and even stricter measures having to be put into place.
    2) No vaccine is guaranteed to work 100% but that is not the same as claiming they are a waste of time as you appear to be suggesting. Ever heard of smallpox?
    3) Simply untrue. Again, whilst not 100% efficient, masks will reduce the amount of droplets containing the virus that the wearer will release into the air.
     
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    Is it not true that those who survive a bout of covid will also gain at least some degree of herd immunity from covid, and would that not put those who have contracted covid in a better position than those who haven't contracted covid?
     
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    Since I work in the service industry as a chef and have not worked since March I am neither wealthy nor unaware of the hardships being suffered in my industry and many others. I am, however, aware of the reasons those hardships must be temporarily endured.
     
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    Prove that to be true.

    Yea I had a smallpox vaccine, once and never needed it again, totally irrelevant, but grasp at straws you must.

    Seriously, you literally have no clue of what you are talking about, the droplet size that can carry COVID-19 is so small it will pass right through a mask, it's like using a fishnet as a condom, and a lot of masks people are wearing have check valves that allow exhaled air to escape unfiltered.

    When it comes to masks, you literally have no idea of what you are talking about and are simple parroting what media has programmed you to think is true.
     
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    1) Yet.. You don't watch the news much.

    2) "As the coronavirus crisis careens toward smaller towns and rural areas, a new data project highlights a stark, looming reality: This pandemic could take a crushing toll on rural areas that are less prepared than many of their urban counterparts."
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/rural-communities-coronavirus-toll/
     
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    Temporary is not three months and few can afford a few weeks.
     
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    Correct I don't watch news much at all, over the years I have been too involved in the process of making news to trust anything they proffer.

    So says the news which should not be trusted.

    By the way your article is over two months old and what they predicted like so many others hasn't happened.
     
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    As of now, there is no evidence that any lasting immunity exists for those who catch the disease and recover. It may be the case that permanent immunity is gained but without evidence that is a big risk to take.
    Some other SARS viruses have previously only given short term immunity.
    There is evidence, however, that permanent organ and lung damage result from infection and that it is not limited to the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions.
    Roll those dice if you wish but bear in mind that you may spread the virus to a loved one who might suffer serious consequences or even die.
     
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    Temporary is anything that is not permanent.
    Death is permanent temporary economic hardship is not.
     
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    So is suicide which is on the rise due to stay at home orders and people going totally broke and watching everything they had go away.

    As I said before you can do as you wish, you have the funding to do nothing, most people don't and all of us need to get out there and get the economy moving again, anything less is self centered and heartless.
     
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    I am surprised you don't understand this. Way back in 1951 Eric Hoffer wrote a book The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movement which explains the whole thing. Here are quotes from the wikipedia article:
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    Hoffer states that mass movements begin with a widespread "desire for change" from discontented people who place their locus of control outside their power and who also have no confidence in existing culture or traditions. Feeling their lives are "irredeemably spoiled" and believing there is no hope for advancement or satisfaction as an individual, true believers seek "self-renunciation".[2] Thus, such people are ripe to participate in a movement that offers the option of subsuming their individual lives in a larger collective.
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    Mass movements demand a "total surrender of a distinct self". One identifies the most as “a member of a certain tribe or family," whether religious, political, revolutionary, or nationalist. Every important part of the true believer's persona and life must ultimately come from their identification with the larger community; even when alone, the true believer must never feel isolated and unwatched.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

    There is a whole lot more in the article. And you might want to read the whole book.

    I find Hoffer's True Believer even more relevant to understanding BLM than MAGA, btw.
     
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    I'm not doing nothing. I'm doing what is necessary to slow the spread and save lives.
    Putting the economy above lives is heartless.
    I've already lost an aunt to Covid-19 and I really hope that I don't lose my elderly mother to it.
     
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    Yup. The flu vaccine is rather ineffective. I've gotten it for the last two years now, but I'll likely stop getting it given what's gone down with COVID. A COVID-19 vaccine may very well be quite ineffective as well. Personally, given that Gates and Fauci seem to have ties to the vaccine efforts, and given all the fabricated hysteria surrounding this virus, I'm not going to touch this vaccine with a 10-foot pole...
     
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    You can track down that information fairly easily. John Hopkins has a US map and you can look to within a certain metro (or county) level area for confirmed case counts and covid death counts.
     
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    Because it hasn't actually contributed to the deaths of almost 500k people in ~3 months.

    Most of the people dying WITH (**note, not BY, but WITH**) COVID are people who were already in bad health anyway. There are government incentives to having higher "covid death" numbers, so numbers are purposely being overinflated.

    It is now common knowledge that these deaths are not being counted in the same manner that common flu deaths are counted, so it's no longer an apples/apples comparison between the two.
     
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    BINGO!
     
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    So people losing everything they worked for is not heartless, are you serious?

    Like I stated it's nice you can afford to stay at home, most people cannot, they cannot afford it, nor would I expect them to.
     
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    "Slowing the spread" is not stopping it, so what's the point besides fear mongering to assist with the current anarchy efforts and a future implementation of a tyrannical socialist oligarchy?
     
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    If you counted Covid-19 deaths in the same way that Flu deaths were counted, then the number of Covid-19 deaths would be significantly higher.

    The single deadliest year from the Flu - if you counted Flu deaths the same way that you counted Covid-19 deaths - killed around 15,500 Americans. But instead, we use mathematical modeling to estimate the number killed by the Flu. If you did the same with Covid-19, if you used mathematical modeling instead of relying on the opinion of a medical examiner that Covid-19 played a causal role in the death of the individual, then you would start by looking at the number all-cause deaths in the areas hardest hit by Covid-19.

    In those areas, the number of reported deaths from all causes are significantly higher than the average for that same time and place AND they are higher even after you account for the announced covid-19 deaths.
     

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