But...but....black on black crime!!!!

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it's tied to culture- so much of who we are is controlled by the home enivronment we are raised in. Blacks have a huge single parent issue among other things. But caring and responsible black parents raise very good kids, just as other cultures do. I don't think you can pay people to adopt a higher set of personal basic values; that can't be gifted or legislated.
     
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    Total post collapse in the first page. PF racial click bait aint what it used to be that for sure!
     
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    7 thousand blacks were killed by other blacks last year. Only 10 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in same year

    BLM REALLY CARES ABOUT BLACK LIVES?
     
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    I moderately disagree about the fact it's simply caused by poverty.

    Poverty create an array of problems that have not to be underestimated : being poor prevent to access to better education, and being constantly stressed (for instance by financial worries) lead to more probability to developp addictions. Furthermore, being in a poor neighborhood favor the probability that you will get bad influences early.

    However, not every poor place is violent, but every extremly violent place is poor.
    If poverty may create violence, violence create also a lot of poverty :
    _ Poor people are more likely to open business in poor areas and crimes will ruin their business.
    _ Violence prevent social mixity and favour "poor ghetto" and so prevent children to have access to other models.
    _ Violence doesn't enable the emotionnaly stable household a kid need to grow up in a healthy way.
    _ Financial cost of vandalism
    So I gave only four examples, but I'm pretty sure we could developp more.

    I don't deny that poverty may create violence, but I see violence as much bigger creator of poverty than poverty is a creator of violence.

    Which lead to an important question : How to reduce violence ?
     
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    You are the one who brought up black on black crime.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    Exactly, right, it IS a strawman thread.

    Not sure of the purpose of it though...
     
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    it's not that anyone hates black lives matter it's that they're liars. Black lives don't matter to black lives matter except for the rare occasion that they're killed by white people.

    If black lives really did matter they wouldn't matter even if they were killed by other black people. But that doesn't fit the narrative now does it?
    no one is paying attention to it because black lives don't matter to Black lives matter.
    criminal acts where both the victim and the perpetrator are black, duh.
    so you also don't think that black lives matter. This is why people hate BLM because they're hypocrites.
    but if black lives matter why don't they matter when the perpetrator is black?
    black is a race not a nationality. So no it's not.
    I don't think there's a bunch of white college kids who've never worked a day in their life telling the whole nation of Kenya or Uganda that black lives matter while ignoring the majority of killings.
    because to say black lives matter only when they're killed by white people it's hypocritical? Because you're saying nobody else does.
    there's not a gang of idiot college kids or drop outs running around saying how white lives matter.

    If BLMOIKBWP (Black lives matter only when killed by white police) wasn't so incredibly hypocritical and added those extra letters to their name and people would probably hate them a little less.

    what if a black life doesn't matter if it's ended by another black person then they don't matter at all don't matter at all.
     
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    So there's no crime where the perpetrator and the victim are both black?
     
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    Yet nobody cares about that. Because it doesn't feel this video conspiracy that you desperately want everyone to believe.

    The conspiracy that there's a significant amount of white supremacy in the country.

    you're focusing on such a tiny percent of the violence because it suits your narrative.

    You want the country divided you want there to be unrest between the races. I think it's helped the Democrats control the black people. I think black people are becoming very wise to that.

    the truth is if there's white supremacists in the country that we don't know about they probably exist in your mirror. You are the one like your pet.
     
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  10. Right is the way

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    The blm movement is stupid because cops are not killing black only when arrest or made. The cops are simply not singling out blacks and killing them.
     
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  11. Stuart Wolfe

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    Ron, it's actually the other way around: Focusing exclusively on racist cops is a diversion away FROM the Black-on-Black crime that is happening.

    Think of it this way: You've got thousands of Blacks being killed by other Blacks. There's also plenty of other crimes. As a whole, they're struggling in schools and there's a higher crime rate in the community. Almost all of that can be traced to the breakdown of the Black family unit. You've got a much higher percentage of Black single-parent families on public assistance than should be, absolutely unacceptable. There's lots of problems there. Now, all of that can be fixed, mostly by starting with a massive cultural shift towards two-parent families in the community again, and then said parents demanding a sense of morality, work, and educational values in their children. Financial and personal values stressing long-term savings and goals rather than instant gratification. Role models stressing positive values need to be reintroduced. A sense of self-responsibility as well as responsibility to their own neighborhood. To a lesser degree, getting their musical and fashion cues from Wall Street instead of Cell Block B. Do all of those things and pretty much every problem the Black community has will be solved, although much of that depends of the family unit being strong.

    But there's two big problems: It means the community itself has to accept responsibility for their own actions and then follow thru with action on their own. That's difficult. It's far easier to focus on issues that are external rather than one's own. There's an issue with racism within the police community, I won't deny that, but in order to focus on that BLM itself has to step over the problems their own members are complicit in causing within their own neighborhoods and deal with their own issues which are causing far more harm than a relative few rogue cops. And that leads to another problem within the Black Community: They've accepted Victim Status - everything is someone else's fault. And that's a pretty seductive thing, it's so easy to say your problems are someone else's fault and lay all the work at someone else's feet. I'm not white, I see it myself in people around me. But then again that's why there's been a big difference in how the Asian community - especially the Boat People - came here with nothing; no money and no language skills - and succeeded whereas the Black community lagged behind the newcomers.

    Perhaps you should read what Louis Farrakhan has said on the issue. I mean, half the stuff he says is bat$#:/ insane, but the other half is spot-on and I'm referring to his feelings regarding the Black community dealing with it's own problems. It's easier to burn down a Target than it is to build up a family. Which one is being done right now?
     
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  12. Surfer Joe

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    Lol...how precious of you to think so. Unfortunately, reality disagrees.
     
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    That's not true. Some cops are actively engaged in harassing blacks and are most likely white supremacists racists who have infiltrated law enforcement due to lax standards.
     
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    Sure :roll: Good ol leftwing propaganda "White Supremacy" :hiding:
     
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    It is simple... Black lives only matter when you can blame whites. Millions of blacks are currently starving to death in Africa due to corruption and theft on a scale the world have never seen before.

    A woman is raped every 4 minutes.... and you say.... nothing. You are a hypocrite and a fake.
     
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    They occur mostly in black neighborhoods. That being the case, they were most likely committed by other blacks. In general due to proximity, blacks tend to kill blacks and whites tend to kill whites.
     
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    Stuart, what you wrote is the truth, and well done. If people would admit that this is the truth, and act on it, the country would be very much better.

    And case in point... there are many black middle class, hard working, two parent families around, with great kids, they value education, and these families are moving ahead and living the American Dream. They are buying their own homes in good neighborhoods, they are saving money, investing, and being productive citizens.

    The opportunities are there, and they have shunned the "victimhood" that is constantly blasted at them, and they decided to make it despite being told the odds are against them. Yes, there are too many success stories in the black community to still proclaim that everything is racist. The country is not racist. Nope, instead it is an amazing place where hard work and perseverance and smart decisions and frugality will allow someone to achieve success.

    It is the race baiters that threaten to destroy the very people I just wrote about, because instead of applauding their success and using them as examples of what is possible, the baiters will point out the very worst and claim it is true across the entire community.
     
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    A true mic drop moment. Very well documented. I may borrow this.
     
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    Agree. As will several others. They call it racist math, that’s the new marching orders.
     
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    Can y'all imagine where we would be as a country if the msm would look into the lives of successful middle class black citizens, put them on a pedestal and did news stories about a different success story each evening, with the headline of "see what good decisions brings," about how hard work and good decisions leads to successful lives instead of taking each rare instance of police interactions that have a bad ending and giving 24/7 race-baiting coverage for a month? Imagine instead of the 24/7 leftist message of "you are a victim and are destined for failure," there was instead a message that "you can be successful too"? Imagine...
     
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    Honky 101...!
     
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    Black on black means black killer, black victim. Location and circumstances may vary but never that. Percentages vary but the 16% figure sounds close enough overall for blacks, and yet roughly 40% or more of all murders ARE committed by blacks. A few are black killer/white victim, but the majority are not. Changing terminology does not alter these basics, or the stone cold fact that the vast majority of black murders (caused by any race) also happen in Democrat-run cities. And yet the Dems blame Republicans, go figure.

    ADDED: my percentages reek. See others better jobs above.
     
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    Ouch!
     
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    When people use the term black of black crime they are referring to, well, a black person doing a criminal act against another black person. It ain't rocket science. You imply they mean something else. Where's the beef???
     
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    I don't think Ron understands proportionality at all. The fact that BLMs never gets out in the streets when there are literally hour by hour examples of black men being killed (mostly by other black men) seriously undermines their credibility here. Ron is fishing here, trying to develop an effective response to that, and obviously, is failing at it. I assume he believes that if others continue to respond to BLMs with their obvious hypocrisy, that there is a danger that folks perhaps might stop supporting them. I read a scathing article about how much money BLMs national org spends on themselves and how little they actually pass back to the communities. It's CRIMINAL... It is fun to watch though.
     
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