"The New Normal"

Our governor has promised to keep things open no matter how bad it gets, so, we'll see how this goes. Lots of old people in PBC. Orlando should be on full alert, now that the parks are open. (Except Disney, opening in July.)

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...ObZ4Vvv9QARCkgHgc9gbSEzvWndzw0Zs-11tUGCnaI7To

 

I don't appeal to experts as a proof. That's a logical fallacy, ya know... Instead, I form my own arguments.

 

They don't wish to hear what I have to say.

 

By the time all those thinking that transforming America is a good thing, find out how wrong they were.....it'll be too late.
it's exactly what happened in Venezuela.

Leftists waving the Bolivarian flag and screaming "death to the Capitalists, Death to the Republic" are all now starving and dying.

 

If only your arguments included facts and science.

 

Shutdowns don't stop viruses, dude.

There are various other effective treatments besides that steroid.

No it isn't.

True.

A 13 month old child does not have a fully developed immune system, dude.

 

If only your arguments included logic and science.

 

You do not even have an argument.

And now you have to resort to making completely false statements.

 

It is not a logical fallacy to appeal to relevant experts.

It is a logical fallacy to believe that you are the only relevant expert in the world on a given topic.

 

Shutdowns stop pandemics.




And Covid-19 is depriving its victims an average of 11-13 years of life.

 

That's right, they don't stop viruses. The only things that do stop viruses are effective vaccines or cures. Neither of which are currently available which is why we have to have shutdowns.
Shutdowns and social distancing are the only things we have right now that will slow the spread of COVID 19.
This is why it is so important to follow the advice of those who have spent their working lives fighting viruses and not know nothing geezers on internet forums who care more about Trump's re-election than the lives of their fellow citizens.

 

Not what I said. Read again.

Not my belief.

 

No they don't. And what pandemic?

No it isn't. Made up numbers. randU Fallacy.

 

I did. You believe that appealing to relevant experts is a logical fallacy. You are wrong.

It is your practice.

Yes, they do. The pandemic that is currently gripping the entire ****ing planet.

Yes, they are. Not made up numbers. Actual data based on published research.

 

So why do them?

Wrong. Immune systems and UV light stop viruses dead in their tracks. Vaccines are not always 100% effective (nor even anywhere NEAR 100% effective, as the largely ineffective flu vaccine shows us).

Immune systems and UV light are currently available. Shutdowns are not necessary.

Neither things will slow the spread of a virus.

Did you know that unnecessarily causing economic woe ALSO costs people their lives??

If Democrats win in November, I bet that November will be around the time when the concern about this virus will completely disappear.

 

Not what I said. Read it again. Take as many times as you need to for my words "as a proof" to sink in.

Not my practice either.

No they don't. What pandemic?

No, they aren't. They are made up numbers. What "data"? What "research"?

 

@gfm7175

You believe that appealing to relevant experts is a logical fallacy. You are wrong. You are wholly incapable of ever presenting a single known and relevant expert that agrees with your position.

It is your practice to repeatedly and consistently refuse to ever read or review any published research or opinion from any recognized expert in the field.

Yes, they do. The pandemic that is currently gripping the entire ****ing planet. Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you that you do not know a pandemic is ongoing?

Yes, they are. Not made up numbers. Actual data based on published research. Here's one of the links to a discussion of the research: https://thehill.com/changing-americ...died-from-covid-19-lost-more-than-a-decade-of

 

No, with all due respect, I’m not goi g to stop. I’m tired of the crowd that thinks we should stay locked down until we ha e a vaccine. Sorry, but time to come down to earth. Not only is it not economically feasible, but it’s downright unrealistic in general. You can claim I am an outright liar, but I rather be real and not live in an ideal world that isn’t going to happen. At some point, we must ignore Fauciand open. Yes, it will spike. People will get sick, but this is the reality of the situation we are faced with. If Sweden can understand this is the situation we are faced with, at some point we must follow suit. No ifs or buts about it. It’s not up for debate.

If you are that fearful, stay home but don’t force others to be brought down with you. Science has failed us, and I’m a strong believer in science, but it’s time we take it into our own hands and not have the government walk us across the street. It’s getting ridiculous and it’s obligatory people be woken up to the reality of the situation.

 

I didn't read any other responses so forgive me if it's a repeat.

I, too, am very concerned about this being a long-range plan. I live in Northern IL and we are opening on different phases.

ALL businesses have signs up that masks are MANDATORY and all have limits on number of patrons allowed in at one time.

I have sympathy for those shut-in because the risk of suicide among elderly people already isolated is a real possibility.

Further, I am hesitant to trust any vaccine that is rushed through to the market.

 

Since America has not experienced this "chemical attack" that you posit, that is really irrelevant.

The truly relevant question is this: Why would Americans--at least, those who live in areas that are not particularly hard-hit by this virus--meekly submit, for another 12 to 18 months, to this (leftist-directed) "new normal"?

 

I believe you; but I really do not especially care.

I am 72 years of age--therefore, in the (supposed) "high-risk" group--and I do not wear a mask, unless required to do so (I wore one several weeks ago, when I received a haircut; one was required there); and I do not even practice "social distancing."

I do use hand sanitizer; but it has absolutely nothing to do with Covid-19. (I have used it for many years now.)

 

One thing is for certain, a virus in which 99% of the people recover, have mild symptoms, or don't even know they have it is NOT, I repeat NOT what it takes to submit to your so-called "new normal".

Our country was established upon the principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; not upon the tyranny of the state.

Below is the type of "real normal" we need to be returning to, a normal in which the people decide for themselves what kind of risks they choose to take or not take:

https://www.cnet.com/news/amc-theat...nemas-in-july-but-face-masks-arent-mandatory/

 

Okay - so completely ignore the rising rates of hospitalizations and deaths. And hope that you and your family aren't infected. As for me, I think it is not a threat to my individual freedom to wear a mask in public. It is a tiny ask in the whole scheme of things.

 

I don't care if you or others wear a mask or don't wear one. What I care about is having the freedom to decide for myself.

 

That is abundantly clear.