Trump asked China to help him win 2020 election

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    they should have assumed a shadow-government as soon as Trump took office.
    That would be illegal, very illegal !!!!!

    One still has to follow the process, that's what the laws are for.
     
  2. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    You should publish a book called "Trump said"...
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what? You fish'n?
     
  4. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    You do not have a clue as to what I know about any topic and you absolutely do not know what I know about business organizations. Therefore you need to stow your inane comment or is it accusation about my knowledge of private held vs publicly held corporations. I retired after nearly 40 years with small medium large corporations and I owned my own business for a while. You do not need to tell me about working in small or large coorations. I have always been in the public sector so I do not know why you are blurting out crap about "Dreaded Private Sectors". What is you issue with the private sector anyway?

    Government employee are of various temperament, philosophy, political, religious, and social and economic classes. There are government employees who give a damn about their country and there those such as Trump who only care about themselves.

    True that there is little diference between the two parties. You say no diference well you have the right to your own opinion as I do.
    What Trump disrupted was the good work that dedicated gocernment employees were doing. Trump has indeed been bought maybe not for money ( that we can proove) but he was bought with votes. He gave the evangelicals judges and an anti abortion attitude for their vote even though he is morally corrupt and not religious.

    We can term limit Senators every six years and Representatives every two years. So they are accountable to the voters who failed and continue to fail to keep Congress in line. Why do the voters not do it?
    You seem to have some fantasy about Trump "fixing" Washington but he just lied about draining the swamp and brought in more swamp monsters such as his friends, family, and big donors. Trump added more corruption and useless crud to Washington while he continued to lie about making things great again.

    Trump is the quintessential Con man and he knows that he conned his followers and he laughs about it. I do hope that you are not among the conned. Are you?

    You also expressed another pure fantasy about me. You seem to enjoy pure fantasies about what political Party I am registered with. Well you.need to find a new fantasy because you are very wrong but that is your defect not mine.
     
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  5. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

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    55 % of Americans disapprove Trump ............... So most Americans believe it

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  6. PARTIZAN1

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    Word spell check screwed me. I wad always in the PRIVATE sector not public sector.
     
  7. ptif219

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    So as always the democrats believe lies
     
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    I’m not a Dem.

    Can you prove that anything in Bolton’s book is a lie? Has anything even been disputed by the WH?
     
  9. Moolk

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    Same.
     
  10. Moolk

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    The same can be said about you, iif you believe you actually had something, then you are to far down the liberal propagandists hole to be taken seriously. You simply dont have good arguments You argue from emotion, not logic. .
     
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    No doubt you will believe whatever he writes to lmao.
     
  12. Professor Peabody

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    Folks that were there are calling him a liar.
     
  13. aenigma

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    yet he outsmarted you the democrats & most of the republicans during that election
    says more about your side then his if you claim hes a idiot really
     
  14. fmw

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    You aren't suggesting I'm a fan of Trump are you? I defend him because the onslaught from the left is so ferocious and obnoxious. I wouldn't vote for him (if I voted at all.)
     
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    that's fine. For those who are used to the public sector, it is the DPS. Imagine having to meet payroll and managing cash flow

    Imagine going months without a paycheck due to excessive receivables and Dodd/Frank dried up LOCs for profitable small businesses.

    Imagine having to decide who to let go because your medical insurance premiums went up by over 30% right after the passage of the ACA?

    Yup, it is the DPS and despite inept politicians and govt employees, I've been able to grow my business. Most govt employees wouldn't last a month in the DPS
     
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    I was still working when the ACA went in and the truth is that the large corporations did not suffer a 30% increase in premiums because most large corporations had group plans for their employees therefore exempt from the AHC. Others were self insured for the first layer and then insurance kicked in. The rumors or fake news of 30% increases in premiums caused soley by the ACA were BS. Raw BS. On the average Premiums were increasing due to the cost of providing medical care.
    The ACA affected primarily the individual insurance market only tangentially the large group market. Even the pre-existing conditions exclusion going away was a individual insurance market price affect. The large employee insurance plans had done away with the preexisting conditions deal long ago. It us true that making the pre-existing conditions exclusion illegal had an effect on individual plans but not at the rate that the Fake News anti ACA and antibObama people farted out.
    The cases of large increases were few and the average was nowhere near 30%. Furthermore the costs of premiums rose steadily and slowly and as I said the ACA was not the only reason.


    If you are an ardent ACA and Obama hater you will not believe me. It would take 25giga bytes of typed words for me to proove my point.

    I retired from the insurance industry after nearly forty years of both property casualty and life health compy experience and I was an independent all lines insurance agent for a while. But that s ok don't believe me believe your partisan and ideological Fake News sources.
     
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    I do not own a large business. When the ACA was passed, and Dodd Frank as well, I had 18 employees. Both of those hurt my business
     
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    Yes small groups and individuals were impacted by the ACA. The pre-existing condition c,abuse deal cost all of us. I tell my liberal friends "there ain't no free lunch". Coverage costs money.

    We in the industry tried to explain to women's Lib groups that women cost more to insure for medical cost. The said it was discrimination. Bill.

    We charge women less fir life insurance premiums. I am sure that you know why but women's Lib we Che's don't care. Simple answer--- women live longer than men.
     
  19. Egoboy

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    Let's have that list, please....

    In the meantime, Trump is once again putting it all out there...

    If mail-in voting happens in more places, he's likely toast..

    SNIP
    "My biggest risk is that we don’t win lawsuits," Trump told Politico in the interview, conducted on Thursday. "If we don’t win those lawsuits ... I think it puts the election at risk."
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-mail-voting-top-125701207.html

    I know he's basically said this before, but it's getting closer every day
     
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  20. Durandal

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    Are you somehow entitled not to have your business harmed in any way by a piece of legislation? Have trumpers lost all sense of the greater good, e.g. making small sacrifices so that everyone can have access to affordable health care?
     
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    He had help. Lots and lots of help.
     
  22. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well then, let's see it? The note that was passed to him?
     
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  23. sec

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    affordable health care is one thing. The ACA did nothing to address the costs or litigation
     
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    His claim that Trump wanted China to help with the election. Bolton has always been a nut case so I take what he says as not credible unless I see proof. Bolton is showing the he has no integrity and that he is working for the democrats tying to release this book right before the election. He sounds like a disgruntled exemployee
     

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