Why do some Conservatives want the right to discriminate???

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  1. DaveBN

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    Didn’t see it.
     
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    As a white male Christian I whole heartedly disagree with the premise that I have in anyway harmed or held back anyone from any other race or religion.
     
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    How are they vapid? Explain it to me.
     
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    “Racism is what happens when you back one group's racial bias with legal authority and institutional control. ... When you back one group's collective bias with that kind of power, it is transformed into a far-reaching system. It becomes the default. It's automatic. It's not dependent on your agreement or belief or approval. It's circulating 24/7, 365.

    Racism is the foundation of the society we are in. And to simply carry on with absolutely no active interruption of that system is to be complicit with it. And in that way, we can say that nice, white people who really aren't doing anything other than being nice people are racist. We are complicit with that system. There is no neutral place.”

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/8733...le-can-still-be-complicit-in-a-racist-society
     
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    Of course. Why would I believe otherwise?
     
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    What kind of "racism"?
     
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    Yes it most certainly is. When a business gets a tax credit for hiring a black candidate it means the white candidate must offer to do the job for less in order to compete with the black one.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    Because diversity creates divisiveness among the employees and that's bad for business.
     
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    No one is equal in terms of output. For example, I have 5 drivers working for me, none of them are equal in anyway shape or form.
     
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    So you're describing exactly what affirmative action does. So because "white folks" who are "nice" go along with that, this is the complicity that you speak of?

    The racism that the article worries about hasn't been around for 50 years. What took its place were programs, like affirmative action, that actually then did create structured racism. It seems it wasn't just "nice white folk" who remained silent about this, it was generalized through out the population including AAs. Worse, all of that social programming specifically aimed squarely to benefit folks of color and minority women, all of those programs are exactly what this article should be addressing here. And yet, it's the silent nice folks who are now the target. This is utterly laughable. And the idea that some BS social studies degreed person would actually think this could pass for an intellectual discussion, wow. It's so nice of you to find and document this horror of white privileged guilt masked as racial crusading for us. And isn't it always the case that the first go to article you could find was a "whitesplainin" one? The irony...
     
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    Did you read the post you quoted?
     
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    Two wrongs don't make a right, however, why do you think tax credits were offered to businesses who hire minority contractors? Was it for s**** and giggles or was it because minorities weren't being hired due to discrimination? Again, two wrongs don't make a right but let's not pretend there wasn't a discrimination issue towards minorities.
    Also, do you have any stats showing how much this tax credit adversely affects white owned businesses?
     
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    How would you fix disparity in hiring based on race then? Or is the status quo fine?
     
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    If that’s your take away you either didn’t read the article or didn’t understand it. Neither of which is on me to correct for you.
     
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    I tend to disagree here. Diversity means lots of different things, actually. I find that teams that are diverse allow the team to have a number of different perspectives that a very homogeneous team might not consider. But diversity doesn't mean that I must have folks of different racial makeup, diversity can be folks from different parts of the business. It can be folks from different parts of the world (which also may include different race). But it is never based solely on race, or gender.
     
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    How do you figure?
     
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    LOL... suddenly, my disagreement is "misunderstanding". Nah, I just don't accept the premise at all. Which did actually require me to read the article. The premise is stupid. That gender studies advanced degree seems an incredible waste of whosever money was used to pay for it on her part.
     
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    Welp, then I doubt I’ll change your mind.
     
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    LOL.. the premise of the article is stupid. Why, given that, is there anything that would require a change? I feel pity for you if it changed yours.
     
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    You’re welcome to your opinion of the article, but your opinion does not equal objective reality. There’s plenty of things I believe to be dumb. I don’t pity the people who find value in them.
     
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    There's an old phrase.. pulling from a dry well. I see it is applicable here.
     
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    This silliness while the streets of Seattle are full of people demanding black doctors for black people, black juries for black people etc?

    The right wants to discriminate?

    But a mirror, take a glance lefties....
     
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    Not familiar with that one.
     
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    Where are these conservatives you claim are doing this? Obviously you feel employers should have no rights to hire or fire anyone for any reason.

    Does it make sense to hire a Muslim at a Jewish business, only to have customers stop coming in, offended by the surly or even disrespectful way the employee treats them? Job performance is the key factor there, but to the court it's presented as employer bias.

    Speaking of those lovable sponsors of the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR and other assorted fun bunches...
    Any employee who stops what they are doing to practice ANY religious ritual is denying the employer the time it took to do that ritual. Doesn't matter which religion, let's be rigidly one-rule-for-all here.

    Failure to make up that time without overtime pay should be grounds for firing, regardless of sect or denomination. Employers aren't paying people to do anything else but their jobs.
     

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