Man dies after being shot by Atlanta police at Wendy’s drive-thru

It is the way the law of the united states works. Once one demonstrates they are a threat, they remain a threat until they are either apprehended, or neutralized. Simply leaving the area does not negate the existence of the threat.

Then he should have kept his fists to himself, and refrained from committing physical assault.

Why should it be believed that he was not?

 

No of course not, but given the current events and the fact he was coherent and was not even caught driving...maybe they could have let him lock up the car and get a ride home. Ive known people who were let go with a little slap on the wrist for far worse.

 

Reasoable point - this is getting off track a little, because the issue is certainly larger that this guy getting murdered.

Each of these murders of unarmed minorities is an indicator of a far more pervasive problem of whether minority communities are being effectively policed. For that to happen, the people have to fully trust the police - they have to be confident that they are there to protect and to serve. The people have towant to inform the police, to call them in when they are needed, etc

Without that, crime rates will be higher - maybe to the point where it looks like there is no policing at all.

So, we need to look beyond simply reducing the number of these police homicides that at the very least are hard to justify.

 

Innocent until proven guilty comes to mind.

There is no question that this guy was intent on cooperating, but in the end wanted to get away.

That doesn't spell lethal threat any more than Floyd's acts did.

 

He was DUI why do you keep trying to deny that fact? Can you show me videos or DUI checkpoints where they just let people park their cars and walk home? Why are you trying to justify his assaulting two police officers and blaming them?

 

He as guilty the moment he resisted arrest, was more guilty the moment he assaulted the officers, even more guilty the moment he grabbed on of their weapons even more more guilty when he tried to flee and even more more more guilty when he used a firearm and lethal force against one of them. Why do you keep trying to excuse his actions?

 

You would of had to get back up after having your face bashed into the ground.

 

Ok arrest him for DUI.

Everyday.

Nobody is trying to justify his actions, just that there was other options to shooting him in the back.

 

Guilt is determined by a jury, not by a policeman who decides to murder the accused.

 

They were TRYING DUH, he assault them and used a lethal firearm against them which you keep ignoring.

Yea show me these DUI checkpoints where they just let people who blow over the BAL they just let park their cars an walk away.

You and your fellow leftist are and trying to blame the police for making him mad and then should have let him go after he used a lethal firearm against them.

 

When it comes to trial, but the evidence is clear he assaulted the police and used a lethal weapon against them are you denying that?

 

So let's examine your analysis.

So, we are facing about debate about whether black lives matter. But we are NOT facing a debate about whether Michele Obama's or Oprah Winfrey's lives matter - why is that?

That's because it's the ECONOMY (stupid...) that matters. The examples you gave arose BECAUSE less well-off whites (in comparison to better-off whites) see their own jobs and opportunities being threatened by "improvements in standing" of blacks. And that dynamic arises BECAUSE the neoliberal economy pits everyone against one-another in a competition for well-paying jobs that results in an outcome satisfying to only a slim majority of the population.

Indeed, for the reasons I have outlined above. (re immigrants, it's not white supremacist attitudes, but fear of competition for jobs}.

Brexit was largely fueled by the same phenomena).

So why did the Dems - INCLUDING OBAMA - fall in line behind "moderate" Biden,
rejecting Bernie's "socialist" "tax the rich" policy.

You mean 1950-1970?....yes, also a period of FULL EMPLOYMENT - an era destroyed by stagflation in the 70's , for which the Chicago school designed the wrong remedies (supply side etc)

Repubs do this because they think the way to grow the economy is to allow the "job creators" to keep more of their wealth. They are wrong of course, but so are Dems who think increasing welfare payments will solve disadvantage (black or white). A job Guarantee is the only policy that can avoid the silly class/race conflicts we are currently experiencing.

 

What other option should the Police take when an intoxicated man they tried to arrest resists, punches them and takes their stun gun and fires it at them while running away? Just let him go?

 

Not true; in 1960, Detroit and Baltimore, etc, employed thousands of blacks in well-paid middle-class manufacturing jobs, which disappeared causing a demographic catastrophe for blacks who could not sell homes whose value was destroyed.

And still, the present circumstances are quite self-evidently not good enough, for those still affected by joblessness and the resulting demoralization and poverty. 'Burn, baby, burn....'

That's because no-one in our neoliberal economy considers it's possible to create jobs for all, so the sense of injustice they experience in their lives is expressed as, eg "no justice, no peace" etc etc.

You don't, but a long-standing sense of injustice - and the associated rage when protests get out of control as they mostly will when police push back - indeed that rage itself ensures rationality goes out the window.

No. Stop repeating your nonsense, parrot-like, ....and study MMT.

Hint: classical economics - from which neoliberalism is derived - was developed at a time when food production employed about 20% or more of the workforce.

Now that number is down to about 2%. See the implications for "wealth creation"?

 

I'm saying that Rolfe probably had a breath analyzer that had been tampered with to read high so that he could make DUI arrests. Did the GBI dummies impound it as evidence and verify its accuracy? Did the medical examiner do a legitimate blood alcohol test of the corpse? If they didn't then I see no evidence that Brooks was drunk.

 

Nobody thinks welfare checks will solve anything other that the immediate problem of food and being warm and dry. I have NO idea where you got that.

Your two women face race hatred based on skin color, too. It just happens that they have huge wealth and power and thus avoid some of it in various ways - where they live, how they recreate, what jobs they seek. Besides, you certainl are not offering huge wealth and power, so they are examples of nothing you propose.

I have no idea how you think a "neolieral economy" fits into this.

I gave two examples of policy tht provides black Americans easier access to money, educaion, jobs, etc., does happen. But, in general I see no evidence that it reducses white supremacist hate or provides any assurance that they will continue to have the upper over those they hat both at work and in private life.

 

49 pages, half of the posts trying to turn DUI's into a nuisance law only because the violator was a black criminal.

Impressive. I gotta say that.

 

No. For an economy to grow it requires public sector educators, researchers, AND private sector manufacturers (preferably of goods that improve the quality of life) who depend on the public sector to create the rules to facilitate a functioning economy AS WELL AS cleaners and people who maintain public parks. See what happens to community morale, if the latter two vocations are not valued by the community. .

No you can't take that a step further, for the reasons outlined above, however your following point is different:

So long as there is unused productive capacity in the economy, which there always is in a neoliberal economy which predicates a certain amount of unemployment, then the sovereign currency issuer can fund a job guarantee, as ELR (employer of last resort).

Note re wealth creation: at the time when classical economic theory was developed, food production employed about 20% of the workforce. Today only c.2% of the workforce is required in this fundamental branch of "wealth creation". So there are many resources that can be brought into production for "wealth creation" by time saving AI, IT, and robot technologies, in our time, allowing spare labour to be employed in people and environmental care industries, even while eg, all the cars we need are being produced by robots.

 

Only 10,000 people die yearly from drunk drivers in the US.

 

From those who would prefer to support the 'poverty industry' based on welfare, rather than eliminate the CAUSE of poverty, which is unemployment. These people support the 'poverty industry', because they are well-paid, and because they accept neoliberal orthodoxy which predicates a certain level of unemployment.

From whom?

Yes, that too....

I propose eliminating ALL unemployment, as well as poverty level employment . My thesis is people, working and contributing in an economy with these conditions in place, will get on with their lives, relieved of the need to protest carrying signs such as "no justice, no peace" etc etc.

Neoliberal economies based on excluding the public sector from money creation, as part of the idea that wealth creation can only happen in the private sector, IS the problem.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mmt-overcoming-the-political-divide.569365/

If blacks were't accusing whites of being oppressors (which it SEEMS whites are....because of our neoliberal economy...get it?) , and everyone had gainful employment, then whites would not feel the need to adopt the opposite stance (which feeds into white supremacist tendencies that undoubtably exist in a small proportion of the population), as indicated in a stupid move from a white nationalist in the Australian parliament recently who moved a motion to declare "white lives matter"(!!!).

Needless to say, both left and right rejected the motion....but neither left nor right have a clue - after spending billions of dollars on attempting to eliminate black disadvantage - that the the problem IS the neoliberal economy which predicates a certain level of unemployment (see the NAIRU concept) which will ALWAYS affect blacks negatively because of the greater disadvantage that exists in the black population for historical reasons, as well as any actual discrimination today - which is likely to based more on the status of poverty than race.

 

How did he get his car where it was and pass our at the wheel if he wasn’t drunk? Did beer fairies place him in the seat?

 

How does ONE man handle up on TWO trained officers?

You think everyone that is intoxicated goes to jail when they blow over the limit. You don't think some folks get the hook up, are you really that naive.

Just for the record will you please post where I claimed they should have let him go.

 

Uh arrest him, if you can't handle him call back up. It is done everyday.

 

They tried arresting him. He resisted and assaulted them with his fists and a deadly weapon according to Georgia State law.